Physics graduates: any vocational ed or engineering courses?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relevance and impact of vocational education or engineering coursework for physics graduates in relation to their undergraduate physics degree. Participants explore the importance of such courses, whether they were beneficial before or during their physics education, and the accessibility of these courses at different universities.

Discussion Character

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  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in many countries, students outside of engineering faculties are often unable to take engineering coursework, citing the University of Toronto as an example where physics students are restricted from enrolling in engineering courses.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "important" in the context of the poll, seeking clarification on whether it refers to personal significance or formal program requirements.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that "important" should mean that the vocational or engineering courses were useful or beneficial in earning the physics degree, rather than being a formal requirement.
  • One participant added a default "none" choice to the poll, suggesting that initial options may not have resonated with potential respondents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accessibility of engineering courses for physics students and the interpretation of the term "important." There is no consensus on the significance of vocational education or engineering coursework for earning a physics degree.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the accessibility of engineering courses at various institutions and the subjective nature of what constitutes "importance" in the context of educational experiences.

Was vocational or engineering course work important for your undergad phys degree?

  • Vocational training before physics undergraduate education

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Vocational training during physics undergraduate education

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Engineering courses before physics undergrad education

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Engineering courses during physics undergrad education

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of those were needed and none were important in physics undergrad education

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Total voters
    4
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This poll (attempt) is for physics graduates. Was any vocational education or engineering course work extremely important or helpful in earning your undergraduate degree in physics, either before or during your Physics education?
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I am hoping the view votes publicly only shows counts, and not usernames. Otherwise, tell me if I can adjust this.
 
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symbolipoint said:
I am hoping the view votes publicly only shows counts, and not usernames. Otherwise, tell me if I can adjust this.
Uncheck "Display votes publicly" in the options. I did this now.
 
mfb said:
Uncheck "Display votes publicly" in the options. I did this now.
I see.
 
I added a default "none" choice, since so far nobody has participated, and maybe the first choices were a poor dilemma for many people.
 
It's worth keeping in mind that in many countries, students outside of the engineering faculties are not able to take engineering coursework.

For example, at the University of Toronto (my alma mater) in Canada, engineering coursework is strictly restricted to students in the Faculty of Applied Science and Engineering, with a few exceptions (the Material Sciences undergraduate program within the Faculty of Arts and Sciences being one of them). Physics students (since they are registered as part of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences) therefore are unable to take any engineering courses during their undergraduate program. They are, however, able to take any other humanities, science, or social science courses offered within their faculty subject to any limited enrollment restrictions placed on them.

Different universities in Canada have different requirements on this, however.
 
im not sure what you mean by "important." do you mean, important to me, or required by the program, or something else?
 
gmax137 said:
im not sure what you mean by "important." do you mean, important to me, or required by the program, or something else?
Important should mean that the course from either engineering or from vocational, was useful for you or helped you in earning your Physics undergraduate degree. I do not mean, "required by the program" as in the formal administrative sense. Important should mean that having done the vocational or engineering course/courses was better for YOU in earning the Physics degree than if you did not do these voc or engineerg courses.
 

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