Physics Lab Propagation of Error Issue

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of error in a physics lab context, specifically related to calculating the uncertainty in the critical angle of refraction using the inverse tangent function. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the units involved in their calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the units of the variables involved and the implications for the derivative of the inverse tangent function. Questions arise about how units cancel and the expected units of derivatives when dealing with angles and distances.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the units associated with derivatives and the implications for the original problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding treating derivatives like fractions to understand their units better, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive resolution.

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The original poster is under time pressure due to an impending lab report deadline, which may be affecting their ability to process the discussion effectively.

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Homework Statement
Physics Lab Propagation of Error Issue
Relevant Equations
∂f/∂b=∂/∂b (tan^(-1)⁡(a/4b))= 1/(1+(a/4b)^2 )×(-a)/(4b^2 )=1/(1+((5.922 cm)/(4×1.766 cm))^2 )×(-5.922 cm)/(4×(1.766 cm)^2 )
Homework Statement: Physics Lab Propagation of Error Issue
Homework Equations: ∂f/∂b=∂/∂b (tan^(-1)⁡(a/4b))= 1/(1+(a/4b)^2 )×(-a)/(4b^2 )=1/(1+((5.922 cm)/(4×1.766 cm))^2 )×(-5.922 cm)/(4×(1.766 cm)^2 )

Hello,

I'm trying to find the uncertainty in a function from the lab manual for the critical angle of refraction and since this is my first time doing such a thing I'm a bit confused.
When I take the derivative of the inverse tan function provided and input my values, the units of cm don't seem to cancel and I can't figure out how to fix that
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It seems to me that you want ##\Delta f = \Delta \tan^{-1}(\frac{AB}{4t})## to be unitless. What happens when you multiply ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial a}## by ##\Delta a##?
 
Δa is in units of cm so technically when they're multiplied they cancel out (cm^-1 x cm) but I thought anytime you take the inverse of a trig function you get an angle?
 
That is true. Then you differentiated that angle with respect to a variable with units of cm. What would you expect to be the units of the derivative?
 
Would the derivative of a variable with units in cm be then cm/s? instantaneous velocity?
 
Consider the definition of derivative:

$$\frac {df}{da} = \lim_{\Delta a \rightarrow 0} {\frac {f(a +\Delta a)- f(a)}{\Delta a}}$$

With ##f(a)## an angle and ##a## a distance, what would be the units of ##\frac {df}{da}##?
 
I'm sorry but I honestly have no clue..
 
Browntown said:
I'm sorry but I honestly have no clue..
OK. Let's back up one step. if ##f(a)## is unitless and ##a## has units of cm, what are the units of $$\frac {f(a +\Delta a)- f(a)}{\Delta a}$$
 
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Would they just cancel?
 
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I'm sorry, my lab report is due tomorrow and I think the stress of trying to get it done is just not letting me think properly.
 
  • #11
Here's the bottom line: for the purpose of determining its units, you can treat a derivative like a fraction. So if ##f## is unitless and ##a## has units of cm, then ##\frac {df}{da}## has units of ##\frac {\text {unitless}}{\text {cm}} = \text {cm}^{-1}##
 
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So that means that even though its the inverse tangent function, because it's the derivative of it, it can have units of cm^-1?
 
  • #13
Browntown said:
So that means that even though its the inverse tangent function, because it's the derivative of it, it can have units of cm^-1?
Yes.
 
  • #14
Awesome! Thank you so much!
 

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