Physics Spring Compression Equation

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate equation to calculate the compression of a spring when a mass is dropped from a height onto it. The focus is on the energy considerations involved in the problem, including gravitational potential energy and spring potential energy.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes two equations for calculating spring compression, questioning which is appropriate given the scenario.
  • Another participant asks about the stiffness of the spring and whether the weight of the mass affects the spring during compression.
  • A participant clarifies that all necessary values, including the spring constant $k$, are provided, but expresses uncertainty about the role of the mass during compression.
  • One participant suggests that energy considerations are essential, indicating that gravitational potential energy converts into spring potential energy.
  • A later reply supports the first equation, stating it accounts for gravitational energy lost during compression and discusses the convention for setting potential energy origins.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of gravitational force during compression and the appropriateness of the equations presented. No consensus is reached on which equation is definitively correct.

Contextual Notes

Unresolved aspects include the assumptions about the mass's influence during spring compression and the definitions of potential energy reference points.

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Suppose a mass, $m$, is dropped from a height $L$ relative to the top of a uncompressed spring, which is on the surface of the floor. Calculate the compression, $\Delta x$ of the spring, given the mass.

Okay, so I completely made up this question, but here is my confusion:

Which equation is appropriate to solve this?

$$mgL=\frac{1}{2}k(\Delta x)^2-mg \Delta x$$

OR

$$mgL=\frac{1}{2}k\Delta x^2$$
 
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Do you have any information regarding the stiffness of the spring? Are you considering that the weight of the mass is still working on the spring as it's being compressed?
 
All needed values are given, including $k$. I'm not sure whether or not the mass is still working on it...the question (from my test) was simply the effect of the mass dropping on an uncompressed spring, and finding its compression/deflection, or whatever you want to call it :D
 
Rido12 said:
All needed values are given, including $k$. I'm not sure whether or not the mass is still working on it...the question (from my test) was simply the effect of the mass dropping on an uncompressed spring, and finding its compression/deflection, or whatever you want to call it :D

Well, obviously energy considerations are the way to go here, as you are doing. The initial gravitational potential energy, will be converted into the potential energy of the spring.

I would say your first equation is correct, since it accounts for the additional gravitational energy lost during compression.
 
Rido12 said:
Which equation is appropriate to solve this?

$$mgL=\frac{1}{2}k(\Delta x)^2-mg \Delta x$$
Looks good to me. Typically we set an origin for the spring potential energy to be at the top of the uncompressed spring as the spring has no PE there and choose a positive direction in the direction of the spring compression. So you can actually get rid of the deltas there.

-Dan
 

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