Pipe protuberance's effect on flow

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The discussion revolves around the effect of pipe protuberances on fluid flow, specifically focusing on the friction factor in turbulent and laminar flow conditions. Participants explore the reasons for differences in frictional losses attributed to pipe roughness and the implications for flow behavior in various regimes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for turbulent flow, the friction factor is influenced by both the Reynolds number and the height of pipe protuberances, suggesting that roughness introduces additional losses due to increased form drag.
  • Another participant elaborates that in turbulent flow, the frequency and intensity of collisions between fluid molecules and pipe protuberances increase, leading to greater kinetic energy losses compared to laminar flow.
  • A later reply proposes that the impact of protuberances on laminar flow is negligible because only a small fraction of fluid molecules interact with them, and these interactions occur at lower velocities.
  • It is stated that in laminar flow, the friction factor depends solely on the Reynolds number, while in turbulent flow, the effects of protuberances must also be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that pipe roughness affects turbulent flow significantly, while its impact on laminar flow is minimal. However, the underlying reasons and implications of these observations remain a topic of exploration and discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how exactly the interactions between fluid molecules and protuberances differ between flow regimes, nor does it clarify the extent of the effects on the friction factor in turbulent flow.

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Hi,

I've been reading over Transport Phenomena by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot and I've been going over the friction factor ##f##. I've gone through the whole development leading to the observation that, for time-averaged turbulent flow, when we neglect entry effects, ##f = f(Re; k/D)##, where ##k## is the (average?) height of pipe protuberances for rough pipes.

I'm assuming that the reason why rough pipes introduce additional losses is because of the introduction of some minor form drag along the pipe wall whereas smooth pipes only have frictional drag. I'm not really understanding why this doesn't seem to be an issue for laminar flow though. Why is pipe roughness seemingly not a factor in frictional losses for laminar flow? The Moody diagram only has one curve for the laminar region corresponding to the Hagen-Poiseuille equation.
 
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In case of turbulent flow and when you have rough pipeline (big sized protuberances), the collisions between the molecules of the fluid and the molecules of the piping material are more (in number) and more violent than in laminar flow (low velocity). In addition, as we increase the Reynolds number (turbulent flow) the molecules of inner layers can collide with the pipe protuberances. The number of collisions depends on the velocity, density, viscosity, diameter of tube (Reynolds number) and on the size of the protuberances comparing to the diameter of the tube (k/D).

When the collisions are more, the loss in the kinetic energy will be more, because the collisions are not completely elastic.
 
DoItForYourself said:
In case of turbulent flow and when you have rough pipeline (big sized protuberances), the collisions between the molecules of the fluid and the molecules of the piping material are more (in number) and more violent than in laminar flow (low velocity). In addition, as we increase the Reynolds number (turbulent flow) the molecules of inner layers can collide with the pipe protuberances. The number of collisions depends on the velocity, density, viscosity, diameter of tube (Reynolds number) and on the size of the protuberances comparing to the diameter of the tube (k/D).

When the collisions are more, the loss in the kinetic energy will be more, because the collisions are not completely elastic.

That makes sense, thank you. I'm guessing then that since only a relatively minor fraction of fluid molecules are impacted by protuberances and their impacts are at lower velocity, the effects are negligible for laminar flow.
 
Yes, and thus f depends only on Reynolds number in laminar flow. In turbulent flow you need also the protuberances' effect on f.
 

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