Point of Equilibrium between two charges

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The discussion centers on finding the point of equilibrium between two charges, specifically how the forces acting on an electron are influenced by the charges' magnitudes and distances. Participants clarify that the net force on the electron must equal zero for equilibrium, which depends on the relative sizes of the forces exerted by each charge. It is noted that in certain configurations, specifically cases a and b, equilibrium is achievable, while in others, it is not. The conversation emphasizes that understanding the forces involved is crucial for determining the equilibrium point. Ultimately, the conclusion is that equilibrium can only occur in specific scenarios based on the charge configurations.
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I'm a little confused on how to start on this one.

Okay so I know that the two particles with oppsite charge attract one another, and a 3q force of attraction is going to be larger than a -q force of attraction.(and vice versa)

So is it in cases (c) and (d) that an electron will find its point of equilibrium to the left of the particles?
 

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jegues said:
and a 3q force of attraction is going to be larger than a -q force of attraction.(and vice versa)
Not always. What else does the force of attraction depend on?
 
Doc Al said:
Not always. What else does the force of attraction depend on?

The distance between the two charges?
 
jegues said:
The distance between the two charges?
Yes. Now combine those two factors to see which arrangements can meet the criteria.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes. Now combine those two factors to see which arrangements can meet the criteria.

I'm still not seeing how to do that. Can you give me another nudge?

EDIT: The forces on each other should be 0 in equilibrium so we're looking at the following,

F = k \frac{1*3}{r^{2}}

Now in some scenarios,

\vec{F_{ab}} = k \frac{1*3}{r^{2}} \hat{i}

and in others

\vec{F_{ab}} = - k \frac{1*3}{r^{2}} \hat{i}
 
jegues said:
I'm still not seeing how to do that. Can you give me another nudge?
Sure. In order for the net force on the electron to be zero, what must be the relative size of F_1 and F_2? In which configurations is that not possible?
 
Doc Al said:
Sure. In order for the net force on the electron to be zero, what must be the relative size of F_1 and F_2? In which configurations is that not possible?

Are we to assume that the electron has a charge of -1q?

How do we know what force and electron will have on the given particles?
 
jegues said:
Are we to assume that the electron has a charge of -1q?
That doesn't matter. (But you can assume that if you like.)

How do we know what force and electron will have on the given particles?
All we care about is the net force on the electron. Compare the force on the electron from each of the two charges. Hint: In some cases the force from one charge will always be greater than the force from the other, for an electron placed to the left.
 
Doc Al said:
That doesn't matter. (But you can assume that if you like.)


All we care about is the net force on the electron. Compare the force on the electron from each of the two charges. Hint: In some cases the force from one charge will always be greater than the force from the other, for an electron placed to the left.

Ah I see it now, it can only be done in cases a and b!
 
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jegues said:
Ah I see it now, it can only be done in cases a and b!
Right!
 
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