Polar coordinates: e_r and e_theta

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the polar coordinate unit vectors e_r and e_theta, and a point P(r, θ) as the variables r and θ vary. Participants explore how these vectors change in relation to the position of point P in the polar coordinate system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the behavior of e_r and e_theta as r and θ change, with one participant noting the orthogonality of e_theta to point P. Questions arise regarding the relationship between changes in r and θ, particularly in relation to the derivatives of the unit vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the relationships between the quantities involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the connection between the derivatives of the unit vectors and their behavior as r and θ vary.

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There is an indication that some information may be missing from the original problem statement, particularly regarding how r and θ are related as they change.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]

Let e_r=(cos[tex]\theta[/tex],sin[tex]\theta[/tex]) and e_theta=(-sin[tex]\theta[/tex],cos[tex]\theta[/tex]).
Let P(r,[tex]\theta[/tex]) be a point with e_r and e_theta at that point.
What can you say about the three quantities (e_r, e_theta and the point P) as r and [tex]\theta[/tex] vary?

Homework Equations



r: distance from origin
[tex]\theta[/tex]: angle

The Attempt at a Solution



As r moves around, the e_r and e_theta change place. As r increases or decreases e_r and e_theta don't change place but as theta changes, they do change place since e_theta is always orthogonal to point P.

I feel like I'm not putting enough information. Is there something i didn't mention?
Thank you.
 
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Yes there is some information missing. You have to note that as r changes, [tex]\theta[/tex] changes with the rate that r changes, because [tex]e_{\theta}[/tex] is the derivative of [tex]e_{r}[/tex]
 
What do you mean, I don't understand why.
 
Ok, starting with a (position) vector function, (I will use the cartesian coordinate system to make things appear obvious) let's say [tex]v=t^{2}i+2tj[/tex] The derivative is [tex]v'=2ti+2j[/tex]. Then how does [tex]v[/tex] vary with [tex]v'[/tex]? Since [tex]v'[/tex] is the derivative of [tex]v[/tex], then [tex]v'[/tex] must vary with [tex]v[/tex]'s rate of change. Looking at your position functions, [tex]-\sin{(\theta)}[/tex] is the derivative of [tex]\cos{(\theta)}[/tex]. Likewise for [tex]sin{(\theta)}[/tex] and [tex]cos{(\theta)}[/tex]
 
Oh right, i see.
Thank you
 

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