Polar Equation to Cartesian Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around converting a polar equation, specifically r = 8 cos(theta), into Cartesian coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical process involved in this conversion, including the application of relevant formulas and techniques.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in converting the polar equation r = 8 cos(theta) to Cartesian coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying the equation by r to facilitate the conversion, leading to the equation r^2 = 8r cos(theta).
  • A different participant provides the basic conversion formulas from polar to Cartesian coordinates, emphasizing the need to multiply by r when dealing with sine or cosine terms.
  • There is a detailed breakdown of the conversion process, showing how to derive the Cartesian equation x^2 + y^2 = 6x and subsequently complete the square to find the center and radius of the resulting circle.
  • A participant questions the origin of the number 9 in the completed square process but later acknowledges understanding after clarification.
  • Another participant explains the reasoning behind the number 9, detailing the process of completing the square and ensuring the expression's value remains unchanged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps involved in converting the polar equation to Cartesian coordinates, but there is an initial uncertainty regarding the specific value used in completing the square.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the participants' familiarity with polar and Cartesian coordinate systems, as well as the mathematical techniques for conversion and completing the square.

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Students or individuals interested in learning about the conversion between polar and Cartesian coordinates, particularly in the context of geometry and algebra.

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I am trying to convert this polar equation to Cartesian coordinates.

r = 8 cos theta

I type the equation into wolfram alpha and it gives me a graph, but no Cartesian points.
If somebody could help me find the cartesian points, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.
 
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Multiply through by $r$ so that you have:

$$r^2=8r\cos(\theta)$$

Now you should find the conversion to Cartesian coordinates a bit easier. :D
 
Hello, JProgrammer!

If your first idea is to try Wolfram Alpha, I would guess that
ou have never tried one of these conversions.

Here are the basic conversion formulas:

. . \begin{array}{cc} x \;=\;r\cos\theta \\ y \:=\: r\sin\theta \end{array} \qquad r \:=\:\sqrt{x^2+y^2}If the polar equation has a 'naked' \sin\theta or \cos\theta
multiply the equation by r.

If we are given: r \:=\:6\cos\theta

Multiply by r:\;\;r^2\:=\:6r\cos\theta

\text{Convert: }\;\underbrace{r^2}_{\text{This is }x^2+y^2} \;=\;6\underbrace{r\cos\theta}_{\text{This is }x}

\begin{array}{ccc}\text{So we have:} &amp; x^2+y^2 \:=\:6x \\<br /> &amp; x^2 - 6x + y^2 \:=\:0 \\<br /> <br /> &amp; x^2 - 6x + \color{red}{9} \color{black}{\,+\, y^2} \:=\:\color{red}{9} \\<br /> <br /> &amp; (x-3)^2 +y^2 \:=\:9 \end{array}

We have a circle with center (3,0) amd radius 3.
 
soroban said:
\begin{array}{ccc}\text{So we have:} &amp; x^2+y^2 \:=\:6x \\<br /> &amp; x^2 - 6x + y^2 \:=\:0 \\<br /> <br /> &amp; x^2 - 6x + \color{red}{9} \color{black}{\,+\, y^2} \:=\:\color{red}{9} \\<br /> <br /> &amp; (x-3)^2 +y^2 \:=\:9 \end{array}

We have a circle with center (3,0) amd radius 3.
Okay this all seems to make sense, but where does the 9 come from?

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JProgrammer said:
Okay this all seems to make sense, but where does the 9 come from?

Ignore this, I understand now.
 
For anyone else who might have wondered, the "9" comes from completing the square. The "perfect square" (x+ a)^2= x^2+ 2a+ a^2. Comparing that to x^2- 6x we see that the first two parts will be the same if a= -3. Then a^2= (-3)^2= 9. We can make x^2- 6x a "perfect square" by adding 9: x^2- 6x+ 9= (x- 3)^2. Of course, if we add 9 we must also subtract 9 so we have not changed the value of the expression. x^2- 6x= x^2- 6x+ 9- 9= (x- 3)^2- 9.
 

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