Police dept, Sherrif dept, US Marshal

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The discussion centers on the relationships and distinctions between various law enforcement agencies in the United States, specifically the Police Department, Sheriff Department, and U.S. Marshals. Participants explore the jurisdictional levels of these agencies, their roles, and how they interact within the framework of law enforcement.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that police departments typically operate at the local (city/town) level, while sheriffs function at the county level, and U.S. Marshals operate at the federal level with nationwide jurisdiction.
  • There is mention of flexibility in jurisdictional issues post-9/11, with law enforcement from various levels collaborating on interstate highways.
  • Participants highlight the existence of state police, which serve as law enforcement for individual states, and mention other federal agencies like the FBI and Secret Service.
  • One participant shares a personal story about Game Wardens in Maine, emphasizing their unique role and challenges in enforcing laws related to natural resources.
  • Another participant references a task force in New Jersey that includes the U.S. Marshals, local police, and sheriff's offices, illustrating collaboration in community programs aimed at youth.
  • Some participants express that the roles and responsibilities of sheriffs can vary significantly by state, with some having more authority than others.
  • There is a note about U.S. Customs and Border Patrol's historical ties to the Treasury Department, indicating a long-standing relationship with law enforcement and revenue collection.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the roles and jurisdictions of law enforcement agencies, indicating that there is no consensus on the specifics of their relationships and functions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the designations and responsibilities of sheriffs and police can be state-dependent, leading to variations in enforcement practices across the country.

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Guys, can anyone tell me the relationships between Police dept, Sheriff dept, US Marshal in USA?

Thanks.
 
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here at least, police tend to be law enforcement officials at the local (city/town) level. sheriffs are at the county level of government (louisiana is the only state i know of with parishes instead of counties). us marshalls are at the federal level and enforce national law and have nationwide jurisdiction.

there seems to be some flexibility on jurisdictional issues since 9/11, tho. for example, we have cops from distant cities, as well as sheriffs and state troopers doing law enforcement on the interstate highways, now.
 
Police are usually municipal - city, village, town.

Sheriff and deputy sheriffs = county, a political entity larger than a city, town or village, although large cities like Houston and NY City could been in several counties. Each state has many counties.

State Police = Police force for state, e.g., NY, California, Texas.

At the federal level there are numerous law enforcement agencies, e.g. FBI, US Marshall, Secret Service, INS (Immigration), . . . .
 
And let's not leave out the Game Wardens. In Maine, they have all the authorities conferred on the Maine State Police with the additional (and primary) duties of protecting our natural resources. It can be a thankless and dangerous job, especially since wardens generally patrol alone, and perpetrators (especially during hunting season) are frequently armed.

A good friend of mine retired as head of the Maine Warden service several years ago. One night, he was lounging near the wood-stove in the finished basement in his briefs and a T-shirt, and his son hollered down that there had been shots close to the house (popular area for poachers to jack deer at night). He jumped up, ran to the garage and hopped in his cruiser and set off after the suspects, who were in a large PU with a wrecker boom. He called for assistance when he found himself getting shot at from the passenger-window of the truck. He got alongside the truck, jerked the wheel, and drove them into the ditch, and the driver and occupants bailed out and hit the woods. He ran into the woods after them with his handgun, wearing just the T-shirt and briefs, when he heard a trooper pulling up. He ran to the trooper's cruiser, and got a pair of sweats and some socks out of the trooper's gym bag, and they headed back into the woods. They arrested two of the guys that night and got the third the next day. Fodder for Turkey-Day stories for the kiddies for years to come. ;-) What do you do in YOUR Fruit of the Looms?

Then we have the Marine patrol, who not only protect coastal resources, but end up trying to resolve disputes from fishermen and lobstermen, etc, who have encroached on one anothers' territories. Lobster-trapping is especially territorial, with trapping areas jealously guarded against encroachment. In theory, if you have a valid license, you can go out and set traps, but in practice, if you set traps in areas that have been "traditionally" used by a particular family, especially around some of the inhabited islands, you will find your pot-lines cut, and your traps lost on the bottom. Shootings occur when this behavior escalates.
 
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Yeah. I used to subscribe to the magazine "Outdoor California", which is published by the California Department of Fish and Game (DFG). Each issue would have a 1-page true story from a Game Warden, much like the one you told. Amazing stuff. As you say, alone, often in the dark, confronting multiple armed subjects. I didn't see any of the stories listed online (quick glance only), but here is some more info on the DFG wardens:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/enforcement/

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berkeman said:
Yeah. I used to subscribe to the magazine "Outdoor California", which is published by the California Department of Fish and Game (DFG). Each issue would have a 1-page true story from a Game Warden, much like the one you told. Amazing stuff. As you say, alone, often in the dark, confronting multiple armed subjects. I didn't see any of the stories listed online (quick glance only), but here is some more info on the DFG wardens:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/enforcement/

.
I have spent multi-day excursions out in the north woods with my warden friend, and believe me, they have to be resourceful. Drive on nasty rutted roads strewn with tire-slashing ledge and slate for hours and hours, and find yourself in a situation... You can guess how soon back-up might arrive, and how quickly you have to resolve a bad situation so that nobody gets killed. When his son graduated from the law-enforcement academy and passed warden training, his first posting was at Estcourt, and the very northern tip of Maine. I love the kid, and I'm proud of him for taking (and actually requesting) that posting - pretty much all alone if things go bad.
 
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Astronuc said:
Police are usually municipal - city, village, town.

Sheriff and deputy sheriffs = county, a political entity larger than a city, town or village, although large cities like Houston and NY City could been in several counties. Each state has many counties.

State Police = Police force for state, e.g., NY, California, Texas.

At the federal level there are numerous law enforcement agencies, e.g. FBI, US Marshall, Secret Service, INS (Immigration), . . . .
Don't forget US Customs and Border Patrol, which oddly, was part of the Treasury Department before 9/11.
 
DanP said:
Guys, can anyone tell me the relationships between Police dept, Sheriff dept, US Marshal in USA?

Thanks.

A relationship between those three that you have mentioned is found within the United States Bureau of Justice Assistance. Here’s a great example of how those three work together in a relationship with youth. :-)

In 2008, a task force was established in New Jersey to help expand G.R.E.A.T. and to serve the needs of the community’s youth. The task force is comprised of law enforcement officers from the U.S. Marshals, the Jersey City Police Department, the Hudson County Sheriff’s Office, and the Hudson County Department of Corrections. This illustrates the benefit of law enforcement working together to help children succeed.

What is G.R.E.A.T.?

The Gang Resistance Education and Training Program (G.R.E.A.T.) is a school based, law enforcement officer-instructed classroom curriculum. The G.R.E.A.T. lessons focus on providing life skills to students to help them avoid delinquent behavior, youth violence, and gang membership. The Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA), administers the G.R.E.A.T. program. The U.S. Marshals, in collaboration with local law enforcement and community partners, began a nationwide initiative in 2007 to teach the G.R.E.A.T. program.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/great/index.html
 
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DanP, I'm not a guy! I'm a doll. :biggrin:
 
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The sheriff and police designations are state dependent. In a few states the sheriff does little while in some states such as where I live the sheriff enforces the law in counties.
 
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Evo said:
Don't forget US Customs and Border Patrol, which oddly, was part of the Treasury Department before 9/11.

This dates from the very earliest days of our nation. Alex Hamilton set up this arrangement to ensure that tariffs and such went to the national treasury. In those days this was the main source of income for our new nation. Naturally the states who had been the benefactors of this source of income were not to happy about it.
 

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