Polynomial with 3 unknown variables

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The discussion revolves around a polynomial equation with three unknown variables, specifically focusing on the equation (4m + 3n)x² – 5nx + (m – 2) = 0. Participants are examining the conditions related to the sum and product of the roots, which are given as 5/8 and 3/32, respectively.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the coefficients of the polynomial and the roots, referencing Vieta's formulas. Some express confusion regarding the application of these formulas to the specific problem, particularly about how the sum of the roots relates to the coefficients. Others question the necessity of memorizing formulas versus understanding the underlying concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about polynomial roots and their properties. Some have provided links for further reading, while others are seeking clarification on specific points. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and methods are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the given sum and product of the roots and how they relate to the coefficients of the polynomial. There is mention of potential difficulties in applying the formulas without prior knowledge or memorization of the relevant equations.

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Homework Statement



(4m + 3n)x2 – 5nx + (m – 2) = 0

The sum of the roots is 5/8
The product of the roots is 3/32

What is M + N?

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This is the actual solution. I just don't understand it.

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Why is it that although it says the SUM is equal to 5/8 the solution above has has things being divided? How do I find the roots of this equation?
 
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For ax2+bx+c=0 (or x2+(b/a)x+c/a=0) if the roots are α and β, then x2+(b/a)x+c/a≡ (x-α)(x-β)

The right side works out to be x2-(α+β)x+ (αβ). So equating coefficients we get

α+β=-b/a and αβ=c/a

or the sum of the roots= -b/a
the product of the roots=c/a
 
If you want some further reading, you can have a look here. It's called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C3%A8te%27s_formulas" .
 
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Is that just a rule that I should memorize then? I couldn't really work this out using the actual numbers, could I?
 
Paulo Serrano said:
Is that just a rule that I should memorize then?

Yes, this formula is pretty well-known, and you should memorize it. It's not very hard to memorize, yes?

This formula comes very handy, when you need to work with the sum and/or product of the root of a polynomial, without the need to know what the roots are (since it's calculated based on the coefficients of the polynomial itself).

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For example, you are ask to evaluate the sum of the 2 roots of the following equation:

x2 + x - 2 = 0

The first way is to find the 2 roots of this equation, which turn out to be -2, and 1. And take the sum: -2 + 1 = -1.

The second way is to apply the formula:
x1 + x2 = -b/a = -1/1 = -1.

I couldn't really work this out using the actual numbers, could I?

Err, I don't really get what you mean. What do you mean by 'actual numbers'?
 
If you don't like memorizing, think it out: If [itex]\alpha_1[/itex] and [itex]\alpha_2[/itex] are roots of [itex]x^2+ bx+ c= 0[/itex], then we must have [itex](x- \alpha_1)(x- \alpha_2)= x^2+ bx+ c= 0[/itex] for all x. Multiplying that first product, [itex]x^2- (\alpha_1+ \alpha_2)x+ \alpha_1\alpha_2)= x^2+ bx+ c[/itex] and, since that is true for all x, taking x= 0 gives [itex]\alpha-1\alpha_2= c[/itex] and then, taking x= 1, [itex]1^2- (\alpha_1+ \alpha_2)(1)+ c= 1^2+ b(1)+ c[/itex] so [itex]\alpha_1+ \alpha_2= -b[/itex].
 
VietDao29 said:
Yes, this formula is pretty well-known, and you should memorize it. It's not very hard to memorize, yes?

This formula comes very handy, when you need to work with the sum and/or product of the root of a polynomial, without the need to know what the roots are (since it's calculated based on the coefficients of the polynomial itself).

---------------------------

For example, you are ask to evaluate the sum of the 2 roots of the following equation:

x2 + x - 2 = 0

The first way is to find the 2 roots of this equation, which turn out to be -2, and 1. And take the sum: -2 + 1 = -1.

The second way is to apply the formula:
x1 + x2 = -b/a = -1/1 = -1.



Err, I don't really get what you mean. What do you mean by 'actual numbers'?

I meant that if I tried solve this without knowing those equations it would be near impossible...Anyway, thanks again guys. Learned a little more. :)
 

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