Pondering: Creating an Electric & Magnetic Field, to See Color?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of generating electric and magnetic fields to produce visible light, specifically questioning whether alternating electric and magnetic fields can create light of a certain frequency. The scope includes theoretical considerations of electromagnetic radiation, the limitations of current technology, and the physiological response of human vision to these fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that creating an alternating electric field and a perpendicular alternating magnetic field could result in light of frequency f.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism, noting that practical limitations exist in generating such high frequencies with current technology.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the basic definitions of electromagnetic radiation support the initial pondering, but acknowledges the complexity of achieving ideal synchronization.
  • It is noted that human eyes do not respond to magnetic fields, raising the question of whether alternating electromagnetic waves would be perceived as light.
  • A participant questions the visibility of rapidly alternating electric fields, suggesting that if a capacitor were switched quickly, it might produce visible light.
  • One participant asserts that a changing electric field inherently produces a changing magnetic field, referencing Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant elaborates on the interdependence of electric and magnetic fields in electromagnetic wave propagation, discussing the implications for vision and perception of light.
  • A later reply contemplates the relationship between electric and magnetic fields and the conditions under which they can exist, framing it as a "chicken and egg" scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some supporting the idea that electric and magnetic fields are interdependent, while others question the feasibility of generating visible light through the proposed methods. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the practical constraints of current technology in generating high-frequency fields and the physiological aspects of human vision that may affect perception of electromagnetic waves.

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Here's a pondering I have had for a while;

suppose we created and alternating electric field of a certain frequency f,
and then we created an alternating magnetic field to occur perpendicularly to the electric field, pi (or whatever) out of phase with electric field, also with a frequency f,

would we see light of color f?
 
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I'm not sure how that would be possible - red light is at about 400 teraherz. Computer chips have run into a brick wall below 10 gigaherz and are limited by heat and physical size (electrons just can't be made to oscillate that fast in an electrical circuit).

However, radio waves are the same animal as light (electromagnetic radiation), but of much lower frequency and are made with oscillating electromagnetic fields.
 
To me, yes it would be,bcoz what the basic definition of electromagnetic radiation says regarding component of electromagnetic radiation is followed by your pondered experiment.
It was really a fabulous question and practically speaking answer to this question is not so easy to respond,
because then we have to talk of ideal synchronisation of two components.
GREAT!
 
Actually, our eyes don't respond to the magnetic field so the question is would we "see" an alternating em wave as light.

Yes, if it was within the visible spectrum.
 
If our eye's don't respond to the magnetic component (I understand it exerts a relatively neglible force on an electron compared to the E-Field), why can't we see alterneting electric fields,

for example, if we we're switching a capacitor to opposing polarities very fast (terahertz, may not be achievable with current electronics), would we 'see' light?
 
It is IMPOSSIBLE to generate a changing electric field WITHOUT a changing magnetic field. Just ask Maxwell.
 
First: You have to take into consideration that an oscillating electric field creates a magnetic field in space and vice versa that is , EM waves can propagate keeping their energy because they are intrinsic ,so the electric field generates the magnetic field and mutually , The magnetic field regenerates the electric field , Thus , Propagation is stable on the stability of the medium

Second:even if we reached this frequency what we would see is the EM wave generated due to vibration. EM fields themselves vary in intensity with distance so what you'll get is a "chaos of electrons" in your sense nerves.

third: the frequency of EM waves is a characteristic that determines it's energy and energy gives information about the size of the photon that enters the iris (yes , you must take quantum effect into consideration ) your vision cells have a definite resolution according to their size.

At last I expect you're going to have a white glow in your eyes then, Complete darkness!
 
Very interesting, thank you for the insights.

So we can't make a changing electric field without inducing a corresponding magnetic field (which has a few practical uses I believe), but say we just switched something on, a giant capacitor for example, will there be a corresponding magnetic field while the electric field is changing?

If so, by essence, you cannot "create" an electric field without inducing some kind of magnetic field in its vicinity, unless the field exists at t=0 in which case their is no CHANGE in the electric field so no magnetic field follows.

A bit of chicken and egg scenario I guess.
 

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