Changing electric field generating magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of how a changing electric field generates a magnetic field, particularly focusing on whether the electric field must reverse direction or if simply increasing and decreasing magnitudes can also induce magnetism. The scope includes theoretical considerations and clarifications related to electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on whether a changing electric field must reverse direction to create a magnetic field, questioning if an increasing and decreasing electric field without reversal suffices.
  • Another participant asserts that a changing electric field does not need to reverse direction to generate a magnetic field.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the implications of the scenario where the electric field only increases and decreases, rather than reversing, and what differences this makes in the context of electromagnetic wave generation.
  • It is noted that the generation of electromagnetic waves relies on accelerating charges, and that a steady DC current produces static electric and magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a changing electric field does not need to reverse direction to create a magnetic field. However, the implications of this scenario and its relation to electromagnetic wave generation remain less clear and are still being explored.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential confusion in existing materials regarding the necessity of direction reversal in electric fields for magnetic field generation, indicating a need for further clarification on this topic.

arlesterc
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I would very much appreciate a clarification on what is meant by a changing electric field in the context of statements such as 'a changing electric field creates a changing magnetic field'. My question is does the electric field actually need to reverse as a lot of examples show where two charged particles change places so that the force changes direction or can it be that a magnetic field can be created by an electric field that is simply increasing and decreasing but not reversing. So does it have to be alternating current that induces magnetism or can just a changing amount of current cause magnetic fields. Perhaps another way of describing my question is to think of the electric field as either a sinusoidal wave - the alternating electric field idea - versus a half-sinusoidal wave - only the top or bottom of a sinusoidal wave - so that the field is increasing and decreasing from 0 to whatever height but never crossing the horizontal axis. In that situation the field is increasing/decreasing but not 'reversing' - would that fluctuation create a corresponding magnetic field? Or does it have to be the sinusoidal case for a magnetic field to be created?
 
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arlesterc said:
My question is does the electric field actually need to reverse
No. (By "reverse" you mean change direction. Not needed.)

arlesterc said:
or can it be that a magnetic field can be created by an electric field that is simply increasing and decreasing but not reversing.
Yes.
 
Thanks for the quick and definitive response. This point was not made clear in a lot of material I saw - it always had reversal of direction - so negative and positive charges swapping repeatedly. That being said what difference does that particular scenario make as to the simply increasing/decreasing example?
 
arlesterc said:
Thanks for the quick and definitive response. This point was not made clear in a lot of material I saw - it always had reversal of direction - so negative and positive charges swapping repeatedly. That being said what difference does that particular scenario make as to the simply increasing/decreasing example?
just to be clear ...

arlesterc said:
changing electric field in the context of statements such as 'a changing electric field creates a changing magnetic field'.

that is the basis of the generation of an electromagnetic wave, the charges ( electrons) need to be accelerating

A steady DC current will generate static electric and magnetic fields
 

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