Position of Fermi Energy for Semi-Conductors

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The discussion centers on the position of Fermi energy in semiconductor materials, particularly at absolute zero temperature (0 K). Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between Fermi energy and Fermi level, as well as their implications in the context of semiconductors and insulators.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the position of Fermi energy in semiconductors, questioning whether it is at the highest of the valence band or midway in the energy gap.
  • One participant defines Fermi energy as the chemical potential of electrons at 0 K, stating it is located between the upper end of the valence band and the lower end of the conduction band, but not necessarily in the center.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of Fermi energy as the highest occupied level at 0 K, questioning how it can be in the energy gap if that region is empty.
  • Some participants clarify that in the energy gap there are no levels, thus questioning the relevance of defining Fermi level in that context.
  • There is a discussion on the importance of defining a work function for semiconductors, with one participant noting its relevance in photocathode applications.
  • Participants debate the position of Fermi level in insulators, with one asserting it is somewhere in the gap, while another challenges this assertion.
  • One participant emphasizes the misunderstanding between Fermi level and Fermi energy, seeking clarification on their positions at 0 K for semiconductors.
  • There is a mention of the density of states affecting the position of the Fermi level at finite temperatures, which may also influence its position at 0 K.
  • Some participants argue that Fermi level and Fermi energy are often treated as the same in certain contexts, particularly in energy band diagrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definitions and positions of Fermi energy and Fermi level in semiconductors and insulators. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on certain points.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of Fermi energy and Fermi level, as well as the implications of density of states in determining their positions.

M.A.M.Abed
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what i mean exactly what is the position of Fermi energy for semi conductor materials
1- at the highest of valance band
2- at the mid-way in energy gap like Fermi level at 0 K
 
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it would be helpful if you could rephrase your question in complete sentences.
 
DrDu said:
it would be helpful if you could rephrase your question in complete sentences.
what i mean exactly what is the position of Fermi energy for semi conductor materials
1- at the highest of valance band
2- at the mid-way in energy gap
 
M.A.M.Abed said:
I ll do

You didn't..

Zz..
 
ZapperZ said:
You didn't..

Zz..
I did
 
The precise definition of the Fermi energy is the value of the chemical potential of the electrons in the limit ##T \to 0 ##K. This value may or may not coincide with an energy level of the system. In semiconductors it is somewhere between the upper end of the valence band and the lower end of the conduction band, not necessarily in the center.
 
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DrDu said:
The precise definition of the Fermi energy is the value of the chemical potential of the electrons in the limit ##T \to 0 ##K. This value may or may not coincide with an energy level of the system. In semiconductors it is somewhere between the upper end of the valence band and the lower end of the conduction band, not necessarily in the center.
I know that it doesn't necessarily in the center.
also i know the difference between Fermi energy and Fermi level
also i know that Fermi level tends to be the same of Fermi energy at limit T=0 K
Fermi level is the level with probability 50% to occupies also represent the same electron chemical potential
Fermi energy is the difference between the max energy and the ground state energy (highest occupied level at T=0 K )
i am confused if Fermi energy highest occupied level at T=0 K which separate full levels under it and empty above it
if it in the energy gap it will be empty which contradict with definition (highest occupied level at T=0 K)
 
In the energy gap there is no level, so it makes no sense to say it is empty or not. In a semiconductor you have a well defined Fermi energy, but no Fermi level.
 
DrDu said:
In the energy gap there is no level, so it makes no sense to say it is empty or not. In a semiconductor you have a well defined Fermi energy, but no Fermi level.
yea the density of at it equal to zero
thank you
put what you mean by In a semiconductor you have a well defined Fermi energy
also is there any importance to define a work function for semi conductor or insulators since Fermi level in the energy gap ??
 
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M.A.M.Abed said:
also is there any importance to define a work function for semi conductor or insulators since Fermi level in the energy gap ??

Yes, there is an "importance" to defining a work function for a semiconductor. In some cases, it is defined as the sum of the energy gap and the electron affinity. It is important because many semiconductors are being used a photocathode in an electron source, and the work function here defines the photoemission threshold.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
Yes, there is an "importance" to defining a work function for a semiconductor. In some cases, it is defined as the sum of the energy gap and the electron affinity. It is important because many semiconductors are being used a photocathode in an electron source, and the work function here defines the photoemission threshold.

Zz.
Thnx in advance
last question sorry the Fermi energy at insulators is the top level of valance band and Fermi level for ideal case in the middle of energy gap am i right ?
 
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M.A.M.Abed said:
Thnx in advance
last question sorry the Fermi energy at insulators is the top level of valance band

No, this is not correct. The Fermi level for insulators is somewhere in the gap.

and Fermi level for ideal case in the middle of energy gap am i right ?

Ideal case of what?

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
No, this is not correct. The Fermi level for insulators is somewhere in the gap.
Ideal case of what?

Zz.
for pure semiconductor at T=0 K
there is a misunderstanding between fermi level and fermi energy
just tell me where fermi level and fermi energy exist at zero absolute temperature for semiconductors
 
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M.A.M.Abed said:
for pure semiconductor at T=0 K
there is a misunderstanding between fermi level and fermi energy
just tell me where fermi level and fermi energy exist at zero absolute temperature for semiconductors

For an intrinsic semiconductor, it is located in the middle of the gap. For any other semiconductor or insulator, it is SOMEWHERE in the gap.

Zz.
 
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It's called valence not valance.
 
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ZapperZ said:
For an intrinsic semiconductor, it is located in the middle of the gap. For any other semiconductor or insulator, it is SOMEWHERE in the gap.

Zz.
yea this is the Fermi level
what about Fermi energy (highest occupied energy at T=0 K)
 
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ZapperZ said:
For an intrinsic semiconductor, it is located in the middle of the gap.
No, because the density of states is usually different in the valence and conduction band. At finite temperatures, this would lead to an excess of electrons in the band with the higher DOS. Hence the chemical potential has to be further away from the band with the higher DOS. This also holds in the limit of zero temperature.
 
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DrDu said:
No, because the density of states is usually different in the valence and conduction band.

Not according to the simplified version that is used in many textbooks at this level. And I highly doubt that the OP is dealing with the knowledge of band structure of materials to understand this issue.

Zz.
 
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M.A.M.Abed said:
yea this is the Fermi level
what about Fermi energy (highest occupied energy at T=0 K)

The "Fermi level" IS the "Fermi energy", unless you are dealing with momentum space, which you're not. You are only tackling the cartoon energy band diagram, which is in "energy space", and they are the same thing, i.e. this is often mixed with the chemical potential.

Zz.
 
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Thnx
 

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