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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form dx/dt = 6t*((x-1)^(2/3)). Participants are tasked with deriving a formula for the solutions and exploring specific conditions for unique and multiple solutions through given points in the (t,x)-plane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the solution formula, with attempts to integrate and manipulate the equation. Questions arise regarding the correct application of constants and the interpretation of conditions for unique and multiple solutions.

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Some participants have identified errors in their calculations and seek clarification on the steps involved in deriving the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the conditions given in the problem, particularly regarding the uniqueness of solutions and the specific points through which solutions must pass.

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Participants note confusion regarding the conditions of the problem, specifically the requirement that solutions pass through points in the subset where x>1, and the implications this has for the solutions through the point (0,1).

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a) Derive a formula for solutions of the ode equation

b) If (t0, x0) lies in the subset of the (t,x)-plane given by x>1 write down a formula for the unique solution of the equation below through this point.

c)Give a formula for two solutions to equation below through the point (0,1) in the (t,x)-plane.

dx/dt = 6t*((x-1)^(2/3))a)

INT 1/(u^(2/3)) du = INT 6t dt, where u=(x-1)
3*(x-1^(1/3))+c = t^2 +c.
Hence x(t) = ((t^6)+27)/27

SOLVED; x(t)= (t^2+c)^2 +1

b) I subbed t=0 and x=0 into x(t) to work out the constant.

0=c^2 + 1
c= +i, -i

So, x(t)= (t^2-i)^2 +1 and x(t)= (t^2+i)^2 +1

Is this all I do? I don't really understand what it's asking me to do.

c) Confused.. I thought you sub t=0 and y=1 into x(t) but I get 1= +-i^2 +1 ??
 
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Samantha24 said:
Derive a formula for solutions of the ode equationdx/dt = 6t*((x-1)^(2/3))
INT 1/(u^(2/3)) du = INT 6t dt, where u=(x-1)
3*(x-1^(1/3))+c = t^2 +c.
= 3t^2+ c, not just t^2+ c. And, of course, you divide both sides by 3 to get
(x-1)^(1/3)= t^2+ c where I have combined the constants into (divided by 3) into one.

Now cube: x- 1= (t^2+ c)^3, x= (t^2+ c)^2+ 1.

Hence x(t) = ((t^6)+27)/27

When I differentiate x(t) I don't get the dx/dt above. Please help
 
AAH! Yeah I just realized my stupid error. Thank you for your help!
 
Samantha24 said:
a) Derive a formula for solutions of the ode equation

b) If (t0, x0) lies in the subset of the (t,x)-plane given by x>1 write down a formula for the unique solution of the equation below through this point.

c)Give a formula for two solutions to equation below through the point (0,1) in the (t,x)-plane.

dx/dt = 6t*((x-1)^(2/3))a)

INT 1/(u^(2/3)) du = INT 6t dt, where u=(x-1)
3*(x-1^(1/3))+c = t^2 +c.
Hence x(t) = ((t^6)+27)/27

SOLVED; x(t)= (t^2+c)^2 +1
Even with your edits, this solution is still incorrect. HallsofIvy made a typo, which you apparently didn't notice.
b) I subbed t=0 and x=0 into x(t) to work out the constant.

0=c^2 + 1
c= +i, -i

So, x(t)= (t^2-i)^2 +1 and x(t)= (t^2+i)^2 +1

Is this all I do? I don't really understand what it's asking me to do.
I'm not sure why you're using t=0 and x=0. The problem states that the solution passes through the point (t0, x0), which means x(t0)=x0. It also says this point lies in the half plane x>1, which means x can't be 0.
c) Confused.. I thought you sub t=0 and y=1 into x(t) but I get 1= +-i^2 +1 ??
There's no y in this problem. You mean x=1. If you fix part (a) and get the correct solution, this part should work out with the method you tried.

But now you need another solution. You might have noticed in part (b), the problem refers to a unique solution passing through a point whereas in part (c), it asks for two solutions that pass through (0,1). Note that the point (0,1) doesn't lie in the half plane x>1. Think about why this condition admits a second solution. Go back to the original equation, and in particular, look at the steps you used in part (a) to find x(t). Are those valid for the point (0,1)?
 

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