Potential difference: positive or negative?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential difference and the role of test charges in determining whether this potential difference is positive or negative. Participants explore the implications of assuming a positive versus a negative test charge in an electric field, as well as the definitions of electric field and potential difference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why potential at a point is typically obtained by assuming a positive test charge, suggesting that using a negative test charge could yield different results for potential difference.
  • Another participant asserts that the "test charge" is always defined as positive.
  • There is a discussion about how the electric field at a point is defined as the force per unit charge exerted on a stationary test particle of unit charge.
  • Some participants inquire about the implications of placing a negative charge in an electric field, debating whether it can still be considered a "test charge."
  • One participant states that the potential difference does not depend on the test charge used, explaining the relationship involving the electric field and potential difference through an integral equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using a positive test charge, with some asserting it is a definition while others suggest that using a negative charge could lead to different interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using different types of test charges.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of using positive versus negative test charges, as well as the relationship between potential difference and the type of charge used in calculations.

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Why potential at a point can only be obtained by supposing/assuming a positive test charge there?
For example
There was a question
In figure two points A and B are located in a region of electric field.,The potential difference ##VB##-##VA## is
1-positive
2-Negative
3-zero
4-none of the above
the answer is 2-Negative
Apparently the source charge is positive
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we will only get the answer to be 2-Negative when we would assume positive test charge but if we assume negative test charge at A &B we are going to get answer 1-positive.So is it like we are bound to assume positive charge at points mentioned in question to get whether potential difference is positive or negative?
 
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Yes. The "test charge" is always positive, by definition.
 
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The figure shows the electric field lines.
How is the electric field at a point defined?
 
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ehild said:
How is the electric field at a point defined?
Force per unit charge.
The electric field
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at a given point is defined as the (vectorial) force
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that would be exerted on a stationary test particle of unit charge by electromagnetic forces
 
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And we are told to put negative charge there(in electric field ) in that case we can ,right?
 
gracy said:
And we are told to put negative charge there(in electric field ) in that case we can ,right?
You can put a negative charge into any electric field. Do it. And what do you do after?
 
ehild said:
You can put a negative charge into any electric field.
But it can not be called "test charge",right?
 
Correct. A test charge is always positive.
 
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The potential difference between points A and B (or any two points) does not depend on the test charge used. The relation is standard

V_B - V_A = - \int_A^B \overrightarrow{E}.d\overrightarrow{s}

You can use a negative or positive test charge and multiply both sides of the above relation with the charge. The equation will change to a relation between the difference of potential energies, and the work done by the electrostatic force. In case my Latex is not clear, there is a dot product between the electric field and the infinitesimal displacement in the integral, and the integral is over any path joining points A and B. It does not matter whether you "call" it a test charge or not. The fact is that you can use either positive or negative charges.
 

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