Potential due to a uniformly charged sphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of electrical potential due to a uniformly charged sphere, specifically addressing the reasoning behind the integration process used to find potential at points inside the sphere (r < R) and the interpretation of the results.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the need to subtract two integrals in the calculation of potential, seeking clarification on the mathematical steps involved.
  • Others clarify that the process involves adding two pieces: the change in potential from infinity to R and the change from R to r.
  • There is mention of the negative sign in the relationship between electric field and potential, indicating the direction of integration.
  • Participants discuss the concept of work done against the electric field, relating it to the calculation of potential.
  • Some participants assert that the potential at infinity is zero, and as one moves towards the charged sphere, the potential increases, which is confirmed by others.
  • There is a distinction made between calculating the potential at r and determining the change in potential when moving from R to r, with some asserting that it represents the change in potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical process of integrating to find potential but express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the results, particularly in distinguishing between potential at a point and the change in potential over a distance.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of potential and the conditions under which the integrals are evaluated may not be fully articulated, leading to potential ambiguity in the discussion.

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http://www.phys.uri.edu/gerhard/PHY204/tsl93.pdf
To find electrical potential at r<R
I want to know why should we subtract
##V##=-##\int_∞^R\frac{kQ}{r^2}\,dr##-##\int_R^r(0)\,dr##=##\frac{kQ}{R}##
I don't know why are we subtracting these two?
 
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gracy said:
I don't know why are we subtracting these two?
You are actually adding two pieces: (1) change in potential from ∞ to R, (2) change in potential from R to r.
 
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Doc Al said:
You are actually adding two pieces:
Just because
##E##=##-\frac{∂V}{∂r}##

Negative sign!
 
gracy said:
Negative sign!
Yep!
 
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Doc Al said:
You are actually adding two pieces
And why adding them gives potential at r<R?
 
gracy said:
And why adding them gives potential at r<R?
The work done against the electric field (which is the potential) in going from "A" to "C" equals the work done from A to B plus the work done from B to C.
 
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potential at infinity is zero,as we move in the direction of electric field the potential increases .Moving from infinity to R gives potential at R (integration with upper and lower limits i.e final and initial positions being infinity and R),right?
 
gracy said:
potential at infinity is zero,as we move in the direction of electric field the potential increases .Moving from infinity to R gives potential at R (integration with upper and lower limits i.e final and initial positions being infinity and R),right?
Right.
 
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Then Moving from R to r (initial and final points being R and r respectively)gives
1)potential at r
OR
2)Change in potential while going from R to r
which one?
 
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gracy said:
Then Moving from R to r (initial and final points being R and r respectively)gives
1)potential at r
OR
2)Change in potential while going from R to r
which one?
Number 2: The change in potential. (The potential itself is defined as work from infinity to r.)
 
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