Potential function of a gradient field.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a line integral for the vector field defined as F = -yi + xj. The original poster seeks to find the integral along a specified path, which includes a segment along the x-axis and a circular arc.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find a potential function and considers the integral as path independent, leading to confusion when the result is deemed incorrect. Some participants question the existence of a gradient function for the vector field due to its nonzero curl, suggesting the necessity of performing a path integral instead.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the vector field and the implications for calculating the line integral. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the integral by breaking it into two segments, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or answer.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion stemming from the original poster's experience with webassign, which has reportedly marked their answer as incorrect. Additionally, the discussion highlights a deviation from typical problem-solving sequences in vector calculus, as path integrals are usually addressed before potential functions.

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For the vector field = -yi + xj, find the line integral along the curve C from the origin along the x-axis to the point (6, 0) and then counterclockwise around the circumference of the circle x2 + y2 = 36 to the point (6/sqrt(2), 6/sqrt(2)) . Give an exact answer.



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I got a potential function f = xy. I tried to consider it as a path independent potential function, and plugged in F(6/sqrt(2), 6/sqrt(2))-F(0,0). The answer I got was 18. Which webassign calls wrong. Then again, webassign incorrect on about 20% of the problems, which makes learning math very frustrating.
 
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grad(f) is yi+xj. That's not what you want. The vector field doesn't have a gradient function, it has nonzero curl. You really have to do the path integral.
 
Thanks. I just read a few chapters ahead into the curl stuff.
 
sorry to bring this up again but I got the same question with the OP and I am just confused what the real answer should be if the vector field doesn't have a grad function
 
Normally one does path integrals before "potential functions" so this is a peculiar question.

from the origin along the x-axis to the point (6, 0) and then counterclockwise around the circumference of the circle [itex]x^2 + y^2 = 36[/itex] to the point (6/sqrt(2), 6/sqrt(2)).
Do it as two separate integrals. On the x-axis use x= t, y= 0. On the circle [itex]x^2+ y^2= 36[/itex] use x= [itex]6cos(\theta)[/itex], [itex]y= 6 sin(\theta)[/itex].
 

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