Potential in a conductor within an external field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a conductor placed in an external uniform electric field, specifically addressing the implications of induced charge distribution on the conductor's surface and the resulting potential. Participants explore the concepts of equipotential surfaces and the relationship between induced charges and electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the induced charges on the conductor's surface lead to a potential difference, suggesting that one side may have excess positive charge while the other has negative charge.
  • Another participant argues that the potential difference implied by charge distribution is countered by the potential difference due to the external field, resulting in no net potential difference across the conductor's surface.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that for the conductor to be in equilibrium, the electric field inside must be zero, which necessitates that the potential remains constant throughout the conductor.
  • A later response acknowledges the confusion regarding charge separation and potential gradient, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the relationship between induced charges and potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between induced charge distribution and potential difference, with some asserting that the surface remains equipotential while others initially suggest otherwise. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the implications of charge separation in the context of the external electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering both the induced charge distribution and the external electric field when discussing potential differences, indicating that assumptions about charge distribution may lead to misunderstandings.

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Hi,

Just got a doubt, which is probably silly but nonetheless cannot solve.
Say you have a conductor placed in an external uniform electric field. We know that charges will be induced on the conductor and distribute on its surface as to nullify the field inside the conductor. Then, at equilibrium, the conductor surface is equipotential: but, because of the induced charges due to the external field, should not we have that one side of the conductor has, say, excess positive charge and the other end negative ones, hence a difference in potential on the surface?

Thanks
Lor
 
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but if I am correct, then the difference in potential contradicts the fact that the conductor's surface must be equipotential, doesn't it?
 
lormanti said:
Hi,
... because of the induced charges due to the external field, should not we have that one side of the conductor has, say, excess positive charge and the other end negative ones, hence a difference in potential on the surface?

The potential difference due to the charge distribution cancels the potential difference due to the external field. Net, actual effect: no potential difference.
 
Reiterating what redbelly said. When you are looking at just the charge distribution on the conductor and saying there should be a potential difference there you are not looking at the net effect anymore you are then neglecting to include the external field that induced the charge separation in the first place and the effect this external field has on the potential.

The electric field is the negative gradient of potential. If you agree that for the conductor to be in equilibrium the net E field inside the conductor must be zero (if its not, it has not reached equilibrium yet) then the potential has to be the same constant everywhere in the conductor otherwise the gradient of the potential would not be zero and you would have a non zero E field and therefore not in equilibrium.
 
Ok, guys, you persuaded me. I guess I was misled by the charge separation being induced by the external electric field, so naively I thought: excess charge present at the two ends of the conductor = potential gradient, but obviously it is not like that.

Thanks a lot for your time, much appreciated.
Lor
 

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