Potential of Concentric Cylindrical Insulator and Conducting

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The problem involves an infinitely long solid insulating cylinder with a uniform charge density and a concentric cylindrical conducting shell. Participants are tasked with determining the electric field at a specific point outside the conducting shell, raising questions about the application of Gauss's law and the configuration of the Gaussian surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the placement of the Gaussian surface and its implications for calculating the electric field. There is confusion regarding the area used in Gauss's law and whether the expressions for charge and area are correctly defined. Questions are raised about the relationship between the electric field and the geometry of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the correct interpretation of the area in Gauss's law, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings in the original poster's approach. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored without a clear consensus.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the dimensions of the area used in the calculations, as well as the definitions of variables in the context of the problem. Participants are also reflecting on previous exercises that may relate to this scenario.

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Homework Statement


An infinitely long solid insulating cylinder of radius a = 4.3 cm is positioned with its symmetry axis along the z-axis as shown. The cylinder is uniformly charged with a charge density ρ = 28 μC/m3. Concentric with the cylinder is a cylindrical conducting shell of inner radius b = 10.1 cm, and outer radius c = 12.1 cm. The conducting shell has a linear charge density λ = -0.34μC/m.

1) What is Ey(R), the y-component of the electric field at point R, located a distance d = 48 cm from the origin along the y-axis as shown?

Homework Equations


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ρ = Qin/V
V = 2πRL (Disregard L if I take it at 1m)
λ = Qout/L (L @ 1m) so λ = Q
Gauss - ∫E⋅dA = Qenclosed/∈0
Agauss = 2πRa < May be area of confusion

The Attempt at a Solution


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Qin = 2π(.043)(28x10-6 = 7.56495X10-6
Qout = λ = -.34x10-6
Qnet = 7.22495x10-6
E = (Qnet4πk)/2πRd
= 270935.816619 N/C

I think I might be having trouble determining where to place the outside of the Gaussian surface. I'm assuming the different fields are at:
-outside of outer conductor
-with in conductor = 0
-at inner surface of conducting shell
-between conductor and inner insulator
-surface of inner insulator
-and within the inner insulator
I think I remember seeing something different, but I'm not sure. I blasted through a similar problem last night, and somehow finished the section on Gauss' law but now I seem to have forgotten everything.
 

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Did you already do an exercise like this but with spheres ? If you place your Gaussian surface as a cylinder around the z axis through point R, what does the theorem tell you about ##\vec E## ?
 
hashbrowns808 said:
Agauss = 2πRa < May be area of confusion
It is indeed an area of confusion. Your expression for the area is incorrect and does not even have the correct dimensions. In fact, it is the circumference of a circle of radius Ra. You need the total area through which electric field lines emerge.
 
kuruman said:
It is indeed an area of confusion. Your expression for the area is incorrect and does not even have the correct dimensions. In fact, it is the circumference of a circle of radius Ra. You need the total area through which electric field lines emerge.
I think the poster realizes that, from
hashbrowns808 said:
Disregard L if I take it at 1m
 
hashbrowns808 said:
E = (Qnet4πk)/2πRd
I don't see this one in your relevant equations. I recognize the 2πRd and the 4πk but I don't see a Q there, only a ##\lambda## :rolleyes:
 
BvU said:
I think the poster realizes that, from ...
Right you are. I saw OP's earlier "V = 2πRL (Disregard L if I take it at 1m)" and I took that to be the area despite the symbol "V" defining it. I now see that this is meant as a volume, except that it's incorrect.
 

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