Poverty Rate in US Rises to 12.7 Percent

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The discussion centers on the recent rise in the poverty rate in the U.S. to 12.7 percent, as reported by the Census Bureau. Participants explore various implications of this statistic, including economic policies, unemployment rates, and the broader context of poverty both domestically and internationally. The conversation includes perspectives on the accuracy of the reported figures and the socio-economic conditions affecting these statistics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over the increase in the poverty rate, linking it to broader economic issues and questioning the effectiveness of current policies.
  • Others argue that the increase is minimal (0.2 percentage points) and may not indicate a significant trend, suggesting that the job market's improvement could lead to a decrease in poverty rates.
  • A few participants highlight the importance of context, noting that while the number of people in poverty has increased, the percentage change is small and may fall within statistical error margins.
  • There are claims that the reported poverty thresholds are too low, leading to an underestimation of the actual number of people living in poverty.
  • Some participants challenge the framing of the discussion, suggesting that comparisons to poverty rates in other countries are misleading and do not diminish the concern for U.S. poverty levels.
  • There are assertions that political motivations may influence interpretations of the poverty data, with references to differing viewpoints among political groups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the poverty rate increase, the accuracy of the statistics, and the effectiveness of current economic policies.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the poverty statistics, including the dependence on definitions of poverty and the potential for statistical error. Discussions also touch on the socio-economic conditions that may affect these figures, such as regional income disparities and the impact of economic policies.

  • #151
in 2001 we had an economic crisis here in argentina. in a period of 2 months poverty increased from 25% to 50%, we have a population of 35.000.000. With your theory ron damon, i gues that in 2 months 875000 people decided togheter they wanted to be poor..
 
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  • #152
I think he's addressing poverty in the US. Not to say that he's right, but bringing in examples from other countries doesn't do anything for this particular thread. "US" is in the title, after all.

Edit: Just to be fair to Ron, also, I think we can assume that he will grant that, during times of crisis at least, there will be causes of poverty other than human laziness, even in the US.
 
  • #153
Burnsys said:
in 2001 we had an economic crisis here in argentina. in a period of 2 months poverty increased from 25% to 50%, we have a population of 35.000.000. With your theory ron damon, i gues that in 2 months 875000 people decided togheter they wanted to be poor..

The Argentinian debacle is an entirely different situation, which involves macroeconomic mishandling and a political class that is corrupt to the bones.
 
  • #154
loseyourname said:
I think he's addressing poverty in the US. Not to say that he's right, but bringing in examples from other countries doesn't do anything for this particular thread. "US" is in the title, after all.

Edit: Just to be fair to Ron, also, I think we can assume that he will grant that, during times of crisis at least, there will be causes of poverty other than human laziness, even in the US.

What I'm addressing are more long-term phenomena like the backwardness of the Mezzogiorno, or the East German economic freeze after reunification.

Also, labeling it as "laziness" is an extreme mischaracterization. What it involves is the problem of why some groups of humans are able to effectively transform the world to their advantage, while others remain like deers caught in the headlights, utterly unable to advance their own happiness and self-realization, even while others under similar or worse conditions zoom ahead.
 

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