Power from one or both of 2 sources

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of adding a new interior light to a car that can be powered by either the headlights or the existing interior lights. Participants explore the electrical connections and potential issues related to ensuring that the two power sources do not interfere with each other.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a power diode in series with each lead from the two power sources to prevent interference.
  • Another participant inquires about the necessity of using two diodes and shares a link to a specific type of diode.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of both power sources being live simultaneously, questioning whether this would lead to excessive current or voltage for the new light.
  • A later reply reassures that the new light will only draw the current it requires, but notes that calculating current shares can be complex due to diode imperfections and line resistances.
  • One participant advises checking the wiring of the existing interior light, mentioning that older cars had different wiring configurations compared to modern ones, which may affect how the new light operates.
  • Another participant echoes this advice, emphasizing the importance of verifying which side of the interior light circuit changes state when the light is activated.
  • The original poster expresses hope that the kit they are purchasing will provide specific instructions for their car's wiring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the electrical setup and potential issues, with some agreeing on the use of diodes while others raise concerns about the implications of both power sources being active. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of the existing interior light circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of the interior light circuit may depend on the specific car model and its wiring configuration, which could affect the installation of the new light.

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Hi all,

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this but I can see lots of similar questions on this forum which aren't a 100% match for my question.

I want to add a new interior light to my car.

I want it to be on either when the headlights are on (power from the illumination circuit of the radio) or when the existing interior lights are on. It is possible that both could be on at the same time.

Both sources are (I assume) +12v

The new light will be grounded to the car chassis via the cig lighter -ve.

Is this possible? How do I ensure that the 2 power sources do not affect each other? (i.e. I don't want the existing interior light coming on when I switch the headlights on!)

TIA
 
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Hi doowruc! http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

One power diode in series with each lead from each source should work.
 
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Thanks for the welcome!

So, would it be 2 of these that I need?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/1500w-unidirectional-transient-voltage-suppressor-diodes-46416
 
And is this the basic circuit?

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What would happen if both were live? would the new light then get too much current or voltage?
 
Yes, that looks like the arrangement. How many watts or amps is the bulb?

Probably use these: http://www.maplin.co.uk/3a-silicon-rectifiers-46405
 
doowruc said:
What would happen if both were live? would the new light then get too much current or voltage?

No, it will draw just as much current it requires. Nothing wrong will happen.

(As a side note: Calculating the current shares of the lines, when both line is live, is a difficult and quite unpredictable thing. Depends upon Diode Imperfection and Line resistances.)
 
You might check something on the interior light before getting too far along.
In old days they worked by completing a circuit to chassis, on side of bulb opposite the battery. The little buttom in doorjamb made that connection.
On those automobiles your interior light would have 12V on both sides when OFF and on one side only when ON.

Nowadays they are controlled by the computer and i don't know which wire the computer switches, could be either the "hot" or the "return".
The button in doorjamb apprises computer there's a door open and computer decides whether to light light and for how long.

So get your meter and check that interior light socket to see which side changes state when it comes "on".

old jim
 
jim hardy said:
You might check something on the interior light before getting too far along.
In old days they worked by completing a circuit to chassis, on side of bulb opposite the battery. The little buttom in doorjamb made that connection.
On those automobiles your interior light would have 12V on both sides when OFF and on one side only when ON.

Nowadays they are controlled by the computer and i don't know which wire the computer switches, could be either the "hot" or the "return".
The button in doorjamb apprises computer there's a door open and computer decides whether to light light and for how long.

So get your meter and check that interior light socket to see which side changes state when it comes "on".

old jim

Thanks Jim. The kit I am buying comes with specific instructions for my car and wiring into the interior light circuit so I hope that this will be covered!
 

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