Power series: How would you write this off as?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a power series represented by the equation p = |x| lim n->inf |nn / (n+1)(n+1)|. Initial attempts to solve the limit through derivatives were unproductive, leading to a misunderstanding about the value of p. A participant corrected the limit calculation, emphasizing that the series diverges for all values of x, while another clarified that the limit approaches zero for finite x, indicating convergence. Ultimately, the lecturer confirmed that p is infinite for all x, yet the series converges for all values of x. The conversation highlights the importance of careful limit evaluation in determining series behavior.
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So. There's this question about power series that will eventually take the form of

p= |x| lim n->inf | nn / (n+1)(n+1) |

But of course, in a futile attempt at a solution I tried doing the derivative for both functions. Didn't get anywhere of course.

Knowing that eventually the answer is x= inf or undefined, I tried to write the equation off as thus:

p= |x| lim n->inf eln (nn / (n+1)(n+1))
p= |x| lim n->inf eln n ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

Which will of course eventually lead to something along the lines of
p= |x| lim n->inf einf

Which... Effectively writes the whole equation off as p= inf. Convenient but not convincing.

Help here please, thank you.
 
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Archy said:
So. There's this question about power series that will eventually take the form of

p= |x| lim n->inf | nn / (n+1)(n+1) |

But of course, in a futile attempt at a solution I tried doing the derivative for both functions. Didn't get anywhere of course.

Knowing that eventually the answer is x= inf or undefined, I tried to write the equation off as thus:

p= |x| lim n->inf eln (nn / (n+1)(n+1))
p= |x| lim n->inf eln n ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

Which will of course eventually lead to something along the lines of
p= |x| lim n->inf einf

Which... Effectively writes the whole equation off as p= inf. Convenient but not convincing.

You should be a bit more careful about the limit. The second line above should read

p= |x| lim n->inf en ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

As a first step to computing the limit you should compare n \ln n to n \ln(n+1). I don't believe that your stated result is correct. Of course saying anything about the value of |x| would require more information about the value of p than you've given.
 
Sorry about that. Was a typo.
anyway the question requires us to find the range of x in which the power series converges.

original equation is an=xn/nn
By the ratio test for absolute convergence,
p= limx->inf |an+1/an|
p= limx->inf | [xn+1/ (n+1)(n+1)] x [nn/xn] |
p= |x| limx->inf nn/(n+1)(n+1)

And it continues to it's current state.
The value of p is anonymous and dependent on x.

The answer is that for all values of x, the series diverges.
 
Again, be very careful when computing the limit. I'm not sure where you got the answer, but this series converges for finite x and this ratio test proves it. You can also use a comparison with the series based on b_n = (1/2)^n to find an upper bound of 3/2 for your series evaluated at x=1.
 
Whoops.
Anyway I rang up the lecturer and the answer was actually, p is infinite for all x but the series converges for all values of x.
Sorry again about that.
 
Archy said:
Whoops.
Anyway I rang up the lecturer and the answer was actually, p is infinite for all x but the series converges for all values of x.
Sorry again about that.

What you're saying makes no sense. If p were infinite, the series would diverge for all nonzero x. What happens is that limit is zero, so p is zero for all finite x.
 
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