Powering 10HP 460VAC 3Phase AC Motor: Transformer?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of powering a 10HP 460VAC 3-phase AC motor using a 120VAC supply, specifically addressing the need for transformers and the availability of three-phase power in typical office settings.

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  • One participant inquires about the possibility of using a transformer to step up 120VAC to 460VAC for a 10HP motor.
  • Another participant questions whether 120VAC is available in a three-phase configuration in the intended setting.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of a standard office outlet, which typically cannot provide sufficient power for a 10HP motor.
  • Some participants suggest that using a Variable Frequency Drive (VFD) could allow for single-phase input to produce three-phase output, although this does not address the voltage step-up requirement.
  • There is mention of the need for a larger transformer and the potential issues with power factor and harmonics when using a VFD.
  • One participant highlights the possibility that local utility regulations may restrict large single-phase loads.
  • Another participant proposes reassessing the power requirements to potentially select a smaller motor that could operate on the available electrical supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using a 120VAC supply for a 10HP motor, with some emphasizing the limitations of typical office outlets and others exploring alternative solutions like transformers and VFDs. No consensus is reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding local electrical codes and the limitations of available power sources, as well as the potential need for additional equipment to manage power quality issues.

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Does anyone of a transformer that can step up 120vac to 460vac? Or do I need to use two transformers and step it up twice? It is powering a 10hp 460vac 3phase ac motor. Thanks.
 
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smiddleton said:
Does anyone of a transformer that can step up 120vac to 460vac? Or do I need to use two transformers and step it up twice? It is powering a 10hp 460vac 3phase ac motor. Thanks.
First question, the 120V AC you plan to use...is that available in 3 phases?
 
NascentOxygen said:
First question, the 120V AC you plan to use...is that available in 3 phases?
Normal ac outlet in office building
 
smiddleton said:
Normal ac outlet in office building
I think that's "No three phase available" answer? So that's a serious setback to your planning.

Despite this, go ahead and work out how many watts equate to 10 hp, and compare this figure with the typical wattage rating in your country for ordinary office outlets.
 
...er, you can't power a 10 hp motor (8kW) from a 120V office outlet (2 kW).
 
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I am also trying to figure out how the OP figures a regular office building 120 volt outlet will provide 3 phase.
 
Averagesupernova said:
I am also trying to figure out how the OP figures a regular office building 120 volt outlet will provide 3 phase.
True. I would need some big caps, it's about 10000 watts to power the motor how we want.
 
Caps will not help - we are taking about power ( 10Kw ~ 460 x 12.6A x Sqrt(3) for the 3 Ph motor - at 120 Single phase 10Kw ~ 120V x 83Amps) . If you have access to the Circuit panel you could wire a Variable Frequency Drive set up for single phase input with 3 phase output, but that still will not "step up" the voltage you need.

Preferably you can get 240VAC (most 120V systems in the USA are split phase 120/240) - so then use a 12+ KVA 240 to 460 single phase transformer. Then a Drive that can provide 10 HP with single phase input, I am sure it exists, but that it pretty large for the single phase and I have not found on in a quick search. Typically drive will have poor power factor and high harmonics ( THD) - requiring more hardware - filters etc...

Try to find a 460V Source.
 
Oh - also such a large single phase load may not be allowed by your utility and or local code.
 
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10 HP is a lot of power for a machine in an office - are you sure you actually need that much ??

Is there a possibility of thinking afresh with a new lower assessment of power requirement ??

Dropping power requirement and selecting a motor suitable for purpose and which will run on available electric supply will make life a lot easier for you .

If using original 10HP motor is essential then only solution is to have a proper three phase supply with suitable power rating installed .
 

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