Poynting theory apply to both static and time varying fields?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Poynting vector in both static and time-varying electromagnetic fields. Participants explore the theoretical foundations and practical examples related to the Poynting theorem as presented in Griffiths' text.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Poynting vector applies to both static fields, where electric and magnetic fields are decoupled, and time-varying fields, where they are coupled.
  • Another participant references Griffiths' text, noting that the Poynting theorem is derived from time-varying relations in Maxwell's equations but also provides an example of its application to a steady current in a wire.
  • A different participant asserts that the Poynting theorem is valid in all scenarios as it follows from the complete Maxwell equations, suggesting a calculation of energy flow in a DC coaxial cable as an example.
  • A later reply acknowledges the similarity of the suggested calculation to a problem already worked out by the participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Poynting vector in static versus time-varying fields, with some asserting its universal validity while others question its scope. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the Poynting vector is applicable.

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Participants reference specific examples and derivations from Griffiths' text, indicating a reliance on those definitions and contexts. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in applying the Poynting theorem to different scenarios.

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Poynting vector is flow of energy per unit area. Dose it apply for both static field where E and B are decoupled, AND time varying EM field where E and B are coupled?
 
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The reason I ask is referring to page 346-349 of Griffiths. The Poynting theorem was derived using time varying relation where

[tex]\nabla \times \vec B= \mu\vec J -\mu\frac {\partial \vec D}{\partial t} \;\hbox { and }\; \nabla \times \vec E=-\frac{\partial \vec B}{\partial t}[/tex]

But then in Example 8.1 on page 348, it gave an example of a steady current I flow down a wire and calculate the power flow down the wire ( Poynting vector S). Where is use E= (voltage across wire) divided by the length of wire. B is calculated by current I.
 
The Poynting theorem follows from the complete Maxwell equations and thus is valid always.

E.g., it is interesting to calculate the energy flow of a DC conducting coaxial cable (I choose this as an example, because this is a very simple to solve stationary problem). Calculate both, the electric and magnetic fields and then the Poynting vector. Then think about, what this means concerning energy transport.
 
Thanks
What you suggested is very similar to problem 8.1 in Griffiths and I worked it out already.
 

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