Proving Uniqueness in Predicate Calculus with G and F Functions

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The discussion revolves around proving the uniqueness of a value y such that for all x, G(F(x,y),x) holds true, based on a set of axioms involving the predicates G and F. Participants clarify that c is a constant, which simplifies the proof of existence by showing that there exists a y satisfying the condition. The uniqueness aspect is explored by demonstrating that if there were two identities, they would lead to contradictions based on the properties of G and F. A counterexample using the integers is presented, illustrating that multiple values can satisfy the conditions, challenging the uniqueness claim. The conversation highlights the complexities of predicate calculus and the implications of constants versus variables in proofs.
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Given the following :

1)\forall x\forall y\forall z G(F(F(x,y),z),F(x,F(y,z)))


2)\forall xG(F(x,c),x)


3)\forall x\exists yG(F(x,y),c)


4)\forall x\forall yG(F(x,y),F(y,x)).


5) \forall x\forall y\forall z ( G(x,y)\wedge G(x,z)\Longrightarrow G(y,z))

Where G is a two place predicate symbol. F ,is a two place term symbol and c is a constant.


Prove :\exists! y\forall xG(F(x,y),x)

\exists ! y means : there exists a unique y
 
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Is this a homework question, or just for fun, or what?

And I am assuming that E! x ph <-> E. y A. x ( x = y <-> ph ), right?
 
This is a problem given to me by a friend ,that i could not solve out.

This two place predicate and term is very confusing.
 
Is "c" a constant or a variable? Because if it is a variable, then you can prove a contradiction given the conclusion and given that there are at least 2 distinct values of x.

We could prove that A. y A. x G ( F ( x , y ) x ) given 2, which contradicts the conclusion.
 
I have mention it already in my opening post that c is a constant
 
Well, existence is straight forward:

From 2) and c

\exists c \wedge \forall x G(F(x,c),x) \Rightarrow \exists y \forall x G(F(x,y),x)

uniqueness is left as an exercise:

\forall u(\forall x G(F(x,u),x) \Rightarrow u=c)
 
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When you take G the equality, then your list of axioms is that of a commutative group. The thing you need to prove is that the identity element is unique.

Take two identity's c and c', then

3) G(F(c',c),c')

and

3) G(F(c,c'),c)

and

4) G(F(c,c'),F(c',c))

So by (5), we get that G(c,c')

But that doesn't give equality, however...
 
OK, what about this counterexample:

Take \mathbb{Z}_0 as universe. Take

G(x,y)~\text{if and only if}~\frac{x}{y}\geq 0

and F(x,y)=x*y and c=1.

Then y=1 and y=2 both satisfy the hypothesis.
 

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