Pressure energy(fluid mechanics)

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The discussion centers on the concept of pressure energy in fluid mechanics, specifically its relationship to volume and pressure as defined in Bernoulli's theorem. Participants clarify that pressure energy is calculated as pressure times volume (PV), and changes in this product indicate changes in energy. The conversation also highlights the distinction between pressure energy and gravitational potential energy (mgh), emphasizing that pressure energy is not universally equivalent to mgh, particularly in varying gravitational contexts. The equations dU = TdS - PdV and dH = TdS + VdP are referenced to explain changes in internal energy and enthalpy, respectively.

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  • Understanding of Bernoulli's theorem and its derivation
  • Familiarity with the concepts of pressure, volume, and energy in fluid mechanics
  • Knowledge of thermodynamic equations, specifically dU and dH
  • Basic principles of kinetic and potential energy in physics
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This discussion is beneficial for students and professionals in fluid mechanics, mechanical engineering, and thermodynamics, particularly those looking to deepen their understanding of pressure energy and its applications in real-world systems.

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Can anyone please help me on the term pressure energy what does it really mean and If possible the calculations involved with it!
 
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Pressure times volume is energy. So if that product changes then the energy has changed.
 
Strictly speaking isn't change in volume times a constant pressure energy ?
so if you had a situation where your volume stayed constant but your volume changed you would have a change in enthalpy ? i.e
dU = TdS - PdV
dH = TdS + VdP
 
DaleSpam said:
Pressure times volume is energy. So if that product changes then the energy has changed.

Thank you for the reply,
But what is really that volume and the pressure.
May you please elaborated it, Probably by using the model for the derivation for Bernouli's Theorem!

You know what, I know its reasonable for the pressure energy to be involved i the calculations for bernouli's theorem, But I was shocked when it was written that;

Pressure energy=mgh

Thank you!
 
thrillhouse86 said:
Strictly speaking isn't change in volume times a constant pressure energy ?
so if you had a situation where your volume stayed constant but your volume changed you would have a change in enthalpy ? i.e
dU = TdS - PdV
dH = TdS + VdP



Excuse me! Am really out of phase for what you just explained!
May you tell ,e in detail may be would solve my problem!
But I was in the derivation for Bernouli's theorem,
How can pressure energy=mgh
Where h=Height above the point of which total energy is to be calculated!

And seriously am not yet familiar with enthalpy so may you elaborate more!
Thank you!
 
Godwin Kessy said:
But what is really that volume and the pressure.
May you please elaborated it
It is any volume that you are interested in and the pressure within that volume. For instance, if you are interested in the work done by a piston as it expands then you would take the pressure inside the piston times the volume of the piston at the beginning of the power stroke and at the end of the power stroke. The difference is the work done by the piston during the expansion.

Similarly, if you are interested in the work done by the heart in one heartbeat you can plot the left ventricular pressure by the left ventricular volume and find the area enclosed over one heartbeat.

If you are interested in the amount of work being done on a differential element of a fluid flow you can do the same thing.

Godwin Kessy said:
I was shocked when it was written that;

Pressure energy=mgh
You should be shocked, it is not true in general. For instance, in outer space g=0, so mgh = 0, but pressure times volume is still energy and pistons and compressors don't run without energy input! Also, consider on earth, you can heat a gas inside a closed container, this will increase P and therefore increase PV without changing mgh.
 
DaleSpam said:
You should be shocked, it is not true in general.

Seriously it is true am telling you! May be you should look it over and help me out!
Its under the derivation of Bernouli's theorem!
 
Godwin Kessy said:
Seriously it is true am telling you! May be you should look it over and help me out!
Its under the derivation of Bernouli's theorem!
you didn't get what Dale meant by "general". There are many different types of pressure energy including several others in bernoulli's equation. Pressure due to gravity is only one type.
 
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Godwin Kessy said:
Bernoulli ... Pressure energy=mgh
Not quite, it's an inverse relationship. Bernoulli's equation multiplied by volume results in:

static_pressure_energy + kinetic_energy + gravitational_potential_energy = constant

(Note Bernoulli's equation assumes no external work is performed).

For the gravitational component, using water as an example, as depth increases, static_pressure_energy increases, gravitational_potential_energy decreases, and vice versa.
 

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