Pressure of air inside a glass

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The discussion revolves around the pressure of air inside a glass when it is covered with a plastic card. Participants explore the effects of covering the glass on the air pressure, considering various forces acting on the card and the implications of these forces on the pressure dynamics within the glass.

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  • One participant proposes that covering the glass with a card reduces the pressure of air inside the glass, suggesting that the pressure due to air particles may be less than atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant counters this claim, stating that there will be a hydrostatic difference in pressure due to the thickness of the card, which would be countered by the density of the card resting on the glass.
  • A further reply suggests that the card may bend inward due to its weight, potentially resulting in a pressure inside the glass that is higher than atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant introduces a force balance involving the pressure of air from below and above the card, as well as the weight of the card and the normal force from the glass wall, leading to a different interpretation of the forces at play.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the effect of the card on the air pressure inside the glass. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on whether the pressure decreases or increases when the glass is covered.

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Participants discuss various forces and pressures without resolving the mathematical implications or assumptions regarding the properties of the card and air density. The discussion remains focused on theoretical considerations without definitive conclusions.

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How does putting a cover affect the pressure inside a glass filled with air?
Let's consider an uncovered glass. Air particles are present in the glass.
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$$ P_1 = P_a$$ $$P_2 =P_1 +\rho gh = P_a +\rho g h$$where ##P_A## is atmospheric pressuere and ##\rho ## is air density.
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Now, if I cover the glass with a plastic card, then what is ## P_1##?
$$P_2 =P_1 +\rho gh $$
1) ## P_1 ## is pressure due to motion of air particles and the air particles near the cover interact with the cover and its speed may change and hence ##P_1## may be less or more than ##P_a##.

2) Following three forces are acting on the cover:
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a) force due to pressure ##P_1## of air particles
b) normal force N due to glass walls
c) cover's weight W

Applying Newton's first law gives,
$$ P_1 A+ N = W$$ $$P_1 A = W - N$$
Now, since normal force is self-adjustable, let's take a light plastic card such that N = 0. Hence, in this case ##P_1 A = W ##.
For a plastic card with mass 20g and area 20cm2, ## P_1 = 10 Pa## which is lower than the atmospheric pressure.
So, the conclusion is: putting a cover reduces the pressure of air inside the glass. Is this correct?
 
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Pushoam said:
So, the conclusion is: putting a cover reduces the pressure of air inside the glass. Is this correct?
No.
There will be a hydrostatic difference in pressure due to the thickness of the card, but that difference will be overcome by the density of the card, which is resting on the glass.
 
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Baluncore said:
No.
There will be a hydrostatic difference in pressure due to the thickness of the card, but that difference will be overcome by the density of the card, which is resting on the glass.
And/or the card will bend down/inward due to its own weight and the resulting pressure in the glass will be higher than atmospheric.
 
Define Pa as the atmospheric pressure at the top edge, inside the glass.
The following four forces are acting on a cover of thickness; t
a) force due to pressure of air from below; A·Pa
b) force due to pressure of air from above; A·(Pa - ρ·g·t)
c) cover's weight; W
d) normal force upwards due to glass wall; N
N + A·Pa = W + A·(Pa - ρ·g·t)
N = W - ρ·g·t
ρ·g·t
is the buoyancy of the card
 

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