Pressure Volume graph finding total mole of gas

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The discussion revolves around an ideal monoatomic gas undergoing a thermodynamic cycle with specified initial conditions and transitions. Participants are tasked with determining the number of moles of gas, missing temperatures at certain points, and the efficiency of the cycle compared to a Carnot cycle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) to find the number of moles and temperatures at different points in the cycle. There is uncertainty about how to handle multiple unknowns in the calculations. Some participants suggest that the number of moles remains constant throughout the cycle, which may simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully determined the number of moles and temperatures at certain points, while others express uncertainty about the efficiency calculations and the temperatures at specific points. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved in the cycle.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity on the overall objectives of the problem, as well as the implications of the assumptions made regarding the constancy of the number of moles throughout the process.

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Homework Statement


An ideal monoatomic gas undergoes the following cycle:
from 1.) V1 = 1m3, p1=2.5kPa, T1=200k to 2) V2=1m3, p2=7.5kPa then to 3)V3=3m3, p3=2.5kPA, and 4) back to 1).

a. Sketch
b. How many mole of gas are in the process?
c. Give the missing temperatures at positions 2. and 3.
d. Find the efficiency of this cycle
e. Compare this efficiency with that of a Carnot cycle between the highest
and lowest temperatures reached in the above cycle.

The transition from 2 → 3 is a linear decrease of the pressure as a function of the
volume

Homework Equations



PV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


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I drew the graph

http://imgur.com/7tSPE0k

for the first 1 I used n = PV/RT and got 1.5... moles. Now for the second one how should I do it when I have two unknowns. Knowing that from point 1) V1 = 1 and p1 = 2.5 to point 2) pressure changed and there is a linear line going down in the graph the Temperature is not the same in point one. Having two unknowns how to find number of moles in the second part?
 
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I think the idea is that the number of moles stays the same...so there is only one unknown

I do miss a question in you problem statement, though... What are you supposed to find from this cycle ?
 
BvU said:
I think the idea is that the number of moles stays the same...so there is only one unknown

I do miss a question in you problem statement, though... What are you supposed to find from this cycle ?
Ah Sorry I didn't write the whole question.
b. How many mole of gas are in the process?
c. Give the missing temperatures at positions 2. and 3.
d. Find the efficiency of this cycle
e. Compare this efficiency with that of a Carnot cycle between the highest
and lowest temperatures reached in the above cycle.
 
So, finding the temperature at point 2 is no longer a problem ?
 
BvU said:
So, finding the temperature at point 2 is no longer a problem ?
Yes it a no problem. I got them thanks! just the last question I don't know how to solve it
 
Well, I've seen the sketch, seen the 1.5 moles, so a) and b) are in the pocket.
I can kind of guess T2 but have no idea about T3 :)
So I wonder what came out of c) and d) ;)

For the Carnot cycle there is a clear efficiency expression, see e.g. here
 
BvU said:
Well, I've seen the sketch, seen the 1.5 moles, so a) and b) are in the pocket.
I can kind of guess T2 but have no idea about T3 :)
So I wonder what came out of c) and d) ;)

For the Carnot cycle there is a clear efficiency expression, see e.g. here
I got both for T2 and T3 same temperatures.
 

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