Pressures distribution: solid sphere on a flat surface

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The discussion revolves around the pressure distribution of a solid sphere resting on a flat surface when subjected to a vertical force. It explores the concepts of stress localization, elastic deformation, and potential material failure, addressing both theoretical and practical implications in engineering contexts.

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  • Some participants propose that the maximum pressure on the table is not localized at the contact point but occurs in a region just beneath it due to elastic deformation.
  • Others argue that if the contact point does not deform, it would theoretically result in infinite stress, which does not occur in real materials.
  • A participant mentions that elastic deformation redistributes stress within a small area or volume, and if stresses exceed a certain threshold, plastic deformation may lead to material failure.
  • One participant references specific slides from a lecture that discuss maximum shear and Von Mises stress occurring below the contact area, linking this to potential pitting damage in materials.
  • Another participant expresses that a qualitative response provided by another user addresses the original question adequately.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact nature of pressure distribution, with multiple viewpoints on the implications of stress localization and material behavior under load remaining present.

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The discussion includes references to specific engineering concepts and materials behavior, but lacks detailed diagrams or mathematical formulations that could clarify the points raised.

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In a real case (not ideally rigid bodies), a (e. g.) hard metal sphere is on a flat (e. g.) hard metal surface (a table) and the sphere is "charged" vertically on the table by a vertical force directed downward. In this situation, an engineer told me that the maximum pressure on the table is not localized in the contact point but in a region, close, but under that point. Is it true? If it is, why?

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I don’t quite follow. Can you provide a diagram showing where he thinks the maximum pressure (compressive normal stress or isotopic portion of stress tensor) is located?
 
lightarrow said:
the maximum pressure on the table is not localized in the contact point but in a region, close, but under that point
If the contact point does NOT deform there would be an infinite stress at that point, which for real materials does not happen.
Instead some elastic deformation occurs, redistributing the stress within a small area, or volume.
Of course if the stresses become too great, plastic deformation will occur and the material(s) will generally begin to fail under those conditions.

Please read this for more information
http://mech.utah.edu/~me7960/lectures/Topic7-ContactStressesAndDeformations.pdf
@Chestermiller can probably guide you through that quite thoroughly, if that is what you are inquiring about.
 
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256bits said:
If the contact point does NOT deform there would be an infinite stress at that point, which for real materials does not happen.
Instead some elastic deformation occurs, redistributing the stress within a small area, or volume.
Of course if the stresses become too great, plastic deformation will occur and the material(s) will generally begin to fail under those conditions.

Please read this for more information
http://mech.utah.edu/~me7960/lectures/Topic7-ContactStressesAndDeformations.pdf
@Chestermiller can probably guide you through that quite thoroughly, if that is what you are inquiring about.
Thanks. Slide 7-8 addresses exactly my question: "The maximum shear and Von Mises stress are reached below the contact area•This causes pitting where little pieces of material break out ofthe surface".

Infact the engineer I talked with began explaining me why in some situations (we were talking of small wheels with a great weight on them) the pavement is damaged under the contact point and that with bearings this can cause pitting (this would have been my next related question).

To Chestermiller: sorry I couldn't provide a picture, I'm out with a smartphone only. My friend engineer talked of a sort of "onion like" region under the contact area.
Thank you for your answeres.

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In my judgment, at least qualitatively, @256bits response answers your question.
 

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