Preventing Shockwaves from Supersonic Flight

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential methods for preventing or mitigating shockwaves generated by supersonic flight. Participants explore theoretical approaches, existing research, and speculative ideas related to aerodynamics and materials science.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, a second-year aero engineering student, introduces the topic by mentioning a thesis on preventing shockwaves from reaching the ground and questions the feasibility of redesigning aircraft to deflect shockwaves using advanced materials.
  • Another participant suggests that while shockwaves cannot be completely stopped, they could potentially be directed or deflected through specific geometric designs or modifications to the aircraft.
  • A third participant notes that existing research focuses on smoothing out the discontinuities caused by shockwaves rather than preventing their formation.
  • One participant recalls a concept involving high voltage applied to the fuselage to prevent shockwave formation, expressing uncertainty about its validity.
  • Another participant connects this idea to generating plasma around the aircraft, highlighting concerns about the weight and safety of the necessary equipment.
  • A later reply humorously contrasts fictional concepts with practical realities, mentioning a fictional power source for an aircraft design that would be impractical for general use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether shockwaves can be prevented entirely, with multiple competing views on the feasibility of deflecting or smoothing shockwaves instead.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding and expertise, with some ideas being speculative and others based on existing research. Limitations include the practical challenges of implementing proposed solutions and the dependence on advanced technologies.

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Oki well ill start with a little background so you know just about me :) I am studying aero engineering in Sydney Uni and second year student so i haven't really hit all the Flight Mechanics and aerodynamics yet that comes next year but i was talking in a laboratory with a 4th year student (we were building a kit Jabiru J160) and he said someone was doing a thesis on how to stop the shockwaves from supersonic flight from reaching the ground.

Having done a little bit of reading into ram and scramjet engines and the extreme speeds they are able to reach, an aircraft which was not restricted by its shockwaves could easily fly many times faster than what we have now. From what i know (yeah its basic) but there are 2 shockwaves from supersonic flight the bow shock and termination shock (correct me if I am wrong please I am always willing to learn super and transsonic flight stuff) so is it actually possible to redesign an aircraft to deflect shockwaves up into the atmosphere or stop them completely in the future? maybe with all these materials that change shape when a current is applied?
 
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Just had a quick think about it. I don't think you can stop shockwaves from being generated completely, but you could probably direct (deflect) them in a certain direction. That would entail geometry to be set up correctly or deflecting geometry to be added the vehicle.

Shockwaves are caused by the information of the influence of the traveling body not being able to travel to the oncoming fluid quick enough for it to react causing a sudden change of pressure/temperature/density. When objects travel supersonically (or even transonically, but with local supersonic zones aorund the object, like in airfoils) it generates a shock wave. I don't think there is a way to prevent this from happening except by being able to transer information to the oncoming flow prematurely somehow.
 
There has already been much research done in this area. I believe the approach is not to stop them from happening; I'm not sure this can be done. Rather the approach is to "smooth" out the discontinuity that happens as the shock wave travels.
 
I heard about 35 years ago (and incorporated into my novel) that applying a very high voltage (+/- 10,000,000 V) charge to the fusilage will split impinging air molecules apart and prevent shockwave formation. I don't know whether or not that's true.
 
you mean generate some sort of plasma around the aircraft. I researched that topic a little bit for a plasma stealth application. The problem is the weight of the equipment required to generate that sustained voltage and general all round safety issues.
 
Ah, yes... therein lies the nasty difference between fiction and reality. The power source for the aeroplane that I designed is a beta-source generator consisting of 550 lbs. of cobalt 60, which puts out, if I recall correctly, something on the order of 20 MW. The average Joe probably doesn't have that lying around in his garage. :wink:
 

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