Prob. for average value or less in binomial distribution?

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The discussion focuses on finding a closed-form expression or a reliable estimate for the probability that a binomial distribution yields an average of np or less. It notes that while there is no closed form for this probability, for large n, the binomial distribution can be approximated by the normal distribution when p is fixed, and by the Poisson distribution when np is fixed. Specifically, for the case where p=1/n, the probability converges to approximately 73% as n approaches infinity. The challenge remains in accurately applying the Poisson approximation with respect to the variables n and p. The conversation highlights the complexities of estimating probabilities in binomial distributions, particularly in relation to statistical statements.
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Hello!
Is there a closed form expression or a good estimate for the probability that a binomial distribution yield the average np or less. Basically I'm asking for a good way to evaluate
<br /> P=\sum_{k=0}^{np} \begin{pmatrix} n\\ k<br /> \end{pmatrix} p^k(1-p)^{n-k}<br />

I just figured that for the simplified case p=\frac{1}{n} this probability converges to 63% for large n. What about more general cases?
 
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There is no closed form expression for Prob. (other than the exact formula). However for large n, the binomial can be approximated by the normal distribution when p is fixed. In the case you are describing (np fixed), the Poisson distribution is a good approximation.
 
For the simplified case of p=1/n, your sum goes to 2/e (about 73%) as n->infty.
 
mathman said:
There is no closed form expression for Prob. (other than the exact formula). However for large n, the binomial can be approximated by the normal distribution when p is fixed. In the case you are describing (np fixed), the Poisson distribution is a good approximation.
Unfortunately using the normal distribution yields 50%, which is not true when the discrete character isn't lost. For Poisson I'm not sure where to put in my 2 variables n and p :(

Btw, this problem I thought of when trying to think of how likely a "statistical statement" would be. With the odds 1:N for example you can be 63% (1-e^{-1}) sure that at least 1 of a N people is "positive".
 
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For Poisson I'm not sure where to put in my 2 variables n and p
Mean(Poisson) = np.
 
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