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The discussion revolves around the concept of independent events in probability, specifically in the context of drawing cards from a standard deck. The original poster questions the independence of the probability of drawing a queen on the second draw based on the suit of the first card drawn.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of drawing a non-queen card first and how it affects the probability of drawing a queen second. They question whether the suit of the first card influences the likelihood of the second card being a queen.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining different scenarios regarding the first card drawn and its impact on the second draw. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conditional probabilities to further investigate the issue.

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There are discussions about the number of queens and total cards remaining in the deck after the first draw, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The original poster's repeated questions indicate a focus on clarifying the relationship between the first and second draws.

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Why is it that the probability of getting a queen in my second draw given that the first card was a spade, independent events? What if the first card drawn was the queen of spades?

Homework Equations


P(A and B)=P(A)P(B)
 
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Mathematicsresear said:
What if the first card drawn was the queen of spades?
What if it was another spade?
 
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Homework Statement



Why is it that the probability of getting a queen in my second draw given that the first card was a spade, independent events? What if the first card drawn was the queen of spades?

Homework Equations


P(A and B)=P(A)P(B)

It's clear that the first card and the second card are not independent. The probability that the second card is a spade depends on whether the first card is a spade etc.

But, does the probability that the second card is a queen depend on the suit of the first card?

You can try to resolve the issue as follows:

Before we start we know that the probability that the second card is a queen is 1/13.

Then, we draw the first card and I look at it and tell you it's a spade.

Now, is the second card more likely or less likely to be a queen? Or, is it still 1/13?

What if the first card was a diamond? Or a heart? Or a club?

Perhaps it's clear, therefore, that the denomination of the second card does not depend on the suit of the first card?

Finally, however, I would recommend checking this out using conditional probabilities. It's a good exercise in any case.
 

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