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Probability Mass Function of 50 collectibles

  1. Mar 11, 2013 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Some supermarket gives its customers a free ”collectible” (C) for every
    15 Euro's spent. There are 50 different types of Cs. Assume that each time a
    customer receives a C it is equally likely to be one of the 50 types. Define Ni,
    i = 1, 2, . . . , 49, to be the number of additional Cs that need to be obtained after
    i distinct types have been collected in order to obtain another distinct type, and let
    N denote the number of Cs collected to attain a complete set of at least one of
    each type.

    Find the pmf (probability mass function) of Ni. What famous distribution is this?
    (And later, after I figure this one out):
    Determine the expectation value of N (so not Ni)

    2. Relevant equations
    I can't really think of any at this time, other than maybe pmf (probability mass function) for X is given by fx = P(X=x)


    3. The attempt at a solution
    Right, so, starting with the pmf of Ni. Ni is the number of collectibles that are still required to be obtained after already getting i of them, so this is 50-i and the pmf has to do with the chance of 'being at a point Ni ', so I'd say that i = 1, or N1 = 49 is the most probably and i = 49 the least.

    Now, the (discrete) distributions that I know of are the point mass function, the bernoulli distribution, the binomial distribution, the geometric distribution and the Poisson distribution.
    I don't really see which one fits exactly, but a geometric distribution sounds alright. Could anyone provide a hint?
     
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  3. Mar 11, 2013 #2

    Ray Vickson

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    Google "Coupon Collector's Problem".
     
  4. Mar 11, 2013 #3
    So it's a geometric distribution, I already had that feeling. Alright, I'll try and go from there!
     
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  5. Mar 11, 2013 #4
    Ok, so clearly I misread what Ni is. It is the number of C's that have to be collected before having i + 1 different C's.

    Would I be correct in thinking that N = 'the sum from i=1 to 49' of Ni, plus 1? (As you have to collect 1 C to get to i = 1)? I googled the problem, but I don't see how this is a geometric distribution. Isn't there supposed to be a constant factor between the terms, like 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 etc for it to be a geometric series?

    Alright, so again my mistake. A geometric series is not the same category as a geometric distribution. Knowing that, it makes perfect sense. I got it, thanks
     
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  6. Mar 11, 2013 #5

    Ray Vickson

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    No, no, no. It said very clearly that Ni is the number of *additional* Cs that must be collected to get a new type, after i distinct types have been collected already. So Ni has an ordinary geometric distribution, with 'success' probability dependent on i.

    The (random) number of Cs that must be collected altogether until i different types are obtained is the sum ##S_i = 1 + N_1 + N_2 + N_3 + \cdots + N_{i-1}, ## where the ##N_k## are independent but not identically-distributed geometric random variables. Getting the actual probability distribution of ##S_i## is a challenging problem.
     
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