Probability: random length of poles, how much is lost?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in probability involving random variables, specifically focusing on the lengths of poles and the losses incurred when cutting them to a specified length. The original poster defines a random variable X for the length of the pole and introduces another random variable Y to represent the length of the pieces lost during the cutting process.

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  • The original poster sketches a graph to define the relationship between X and Y and seeks assistance in deriving the mean of Y. Some participants suggest methods for deriving the probability density function (pdf) of Y and calculating its expected value, while others provide alternative approaches for the integration involved.

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Participants are exploring different methods to derive the expected value of the random variable Y. There is a recognition of multiple approaches, with some participants suggesting one method over another based on efficiency. No consensus has been reached on the best approach, but guidance has been offered regarding the integration process.

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Participants note the complexity of deriving the cumulative distribution function (cdf) and the subsequent steps needed to find the expected value, indicating that the problem may involve intricate calculations and assumptions about the probability density function of the random variable X.

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Suppose the length of a pole is a random variable X, with mean m(x) and probability density function f(x). Poles are cut to obtain an exact length L. If the initial length of the pole is less than L, the entire pole is lost. If it is greater than L, the pole with be cut down to L, and the section left over is lost.

We are interested in the random variable Y, defined as the length of each piece lost.

i) Sketch the graph y (values of Y) as a function of x (values of X), and derive m(y) = E[Y] as a function of f(x) and m(x).

The graph...

y=x , x < L
y=x-L , x => L

but how do I derive the mean of Y?

Any helps as always greatly appreciated.
 
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There may be a shorter way, but here's a way that works.

If you knew the pdf f_Y for the random variable Y, you could find E[Y] by integrating y times f_Y(y) from 0 to infinity.

So, derive the pdf f_Y by finding the cdf F_Y(t)=P(Y <= t) and then taking the derivative.

If I did it right, finding F_Y(t) in terms of integrals of f_X takes a couple of steps, finding the derivative is then one step, and then finally computing E[Y] takes several steps including a change of variables in integration.
 


Another suggestion but please double check.

Since y = g(x). I.e.

y = x , x < L
y = x-L , x => L

Then

[tex]E(y) = E(g(x)) = \int {g(x) f(x)} dx = \int_{-\infty}^{L} {x f(x)} dx + \int_{L}^{\infty} {(x-L)f(x)} dx[/tex]

where I am saying m(x) is equivalent to E(x).

I am a bit rusty so this might be completely wrong.
 


Definitely do it bsdz's way! My way gets to the same formula but takes six times as long.
 


thanks guys!
 

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