Problem: electrolysis & lime coating wires

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a project involving a water level detection system that uses wires submerged in water. Participants explore the issues of wire corrosion and coating due to electrolysis, which affects the functionality of the device. The conversation includes suggestions for alternative materials and methods for measuring water levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem of wires becoming coated with lime and other materials due to electrolysis, which disrupts current flow.
  • Another participant suggests that the setup resembles a small electrolytic cell, leading to chemical reactions that deteriorate the wires.
  • Some participants propose using stainless steel instead of copper for the submerged wires, noting that while it may not be as conductive, it could reduce corrosion.
  • There is a suggestion to measure capacitance instead of using direct current to detect water levels, as it may avoid the issues caused by electrolysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solve the corrosion issue, with some advocating for material changes and others suggesting alternative measurement techniques. No consensus is reached on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address specific chemical reactions or the long-term effects of using different materials. The effectiveness of suggested alternatives remains uncertain.

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Individuals working on similar water level detection projects, those interested in the effects of electrolysis on materials, and participants in electronics or chemistry discussions may find this thread relevant.

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Hi all.

I build a project that detects the level of the water reservoir and shows that digitally using the 7-segment display... It worked...
This requires a wire with positive voltage (5V) to be at the bottom of the water reservoir (it's a copper - network wire) and a number of detecting/sensor lines (wires) at each level to be detected... I hope I explained it clearly:confused:
The problem is that the wires become coated with lime (the sensing wires/at the levels, these wires become connected to the negative terminal when water covers them) and the positive wire at the bottom becomes coated with green and white materials... this prevents current to flow between the wires as it should and then the project do not work probebly.. When I clean the wires it works perfect but after some hours it comes back to the same problem...

What do you advice me to do?? how could I solve this obstacle??

Thanks
 
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This circuit (EDN 2001) uses ac signals and capacitance to measure water level. There is no DC water conductance measurement.
 

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It sounds like you have created a small electrolytic cell. The wire itself participates in chemical reactions so it eventually becomes coated with this greenish junk. Eventually, the wire will probably crumble due to deterioration. Using stainless steel for the portion of the circuit in the water may be better in the long run. It won't deteriorate as quickly. Yet do note that it isn't as conductive as copper either.
 
BobS is correct here. You just don't want to detect water by running current through it. Measure the capacitance instead, it's how it's how 'real' sensors do it.
 
The project is a water level inditicator that shows digitally the number of water barrels in a reservoir. It works fine, but my only problem is the chemical reactions that are happening... they are makes the wires (in the water) coated with lime and greenish materials, these materials are the problem, they are preventing current flow... After I cleaned the wires, the device worked and it still working for now... (about 30 hour till now..). Maybe stainless is a good idea, I will ask a chemistry instructor for this purpose anyway...
 

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