Problem - find second derivative

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The problem involves finding the second derivative of a function, with participants discussing their attempts and the challenges they face in deriving the correct expression. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on differentiation techniques and the application of the quotient rule.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss their expressions for the first and second derivatives, questioning whether their results are correct and identifying potential mistakes in their calculations. There is also a discussion about simplifying expressions and the use of the quotient rule.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations and others providing suggestions for alternative approaches. There is a recognition of mistakes made in the process, but no consensus has been reached on the correct final expression.

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Some participants mention specific forms of the derivatives and compare them to answers found in textbooks, indicating a potential discrepancy that needs to be addressed. There is also a focus on the methods used to differentiate, including the suggestion to expand binomials before differentiating.

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The problem and my attempt at a solution is shown in the attached image.

The problem is that I end up with one extra x in the denominator.
So the question is: Is my expression for y'' correct and I just made a mistake somewhere (I have checked it several times), or am I missing something in the expression for y' and/or y'' ?

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If the answer in the book is something like 6/x^3 + 18/x^4 + 12/x^5, you got the same answer.
 
jkristia said:
The problem and my attempt at a solution is shown in the attached image.

The problem is that I end up with one extra x in the denominator.
So the question is: Is my expression for y'' correct and I just made a mistake somewhere (I have checked it several times), or am I missing something in the expression for y' and/or y'' ?

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How do you go from \displaystyle\ \frac{6}{x^3}\left( 1+\frac{3}{x}+\frac{2}{x^2}\right)\ to \displaystyle\ \frac{6}{x^4}\left( 1+\frac{1}{x}\right)\left( 1+\frac{2}{x}\right)\ ?

\displaystyle\ 1+\frac{3}{x}+\frac{2}{x^2}=\left( 1+\frac{1}{x}\right)\left( 1+\frac{2}{x}\right)\ .
 
Does this make sense?
\[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> y&#039; = 3(1 + {\textstyle{1 \over x}})^2 x^{ - 2} ( - 1) \\ <br /> = \frac{{ - 3(1 + {\textstyle{1 \over x}})^2 }}{{x^2 }} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br />

Next you would use quotient rule to find the next derivative (second derivative).
 
SammyS said:
How do you go from \displaystyle\ \frac{6}{x^3}\left( 1+\frac{3}{x}+\frac{2}{x^2}\right)\ to \displaystyle\ \frac{6}{x^4}\left( 1+\frac{1}{x}\right)\left( 1+\frac{2}{x}\right)\ ?

Hmm, I probalby did a silly mistake, but I multiplied by x^2

(\frac{6}{x^3})(\frac{x^2 +3x + 2}{x^2}) = (\frac{6}{x^3})(\frac{(x+1)(x+1)}{x^2}) to ... ahhh found my silly mistake - .. of course I need (x)(x), and then x can be canceled - haha..

Thank you very much for you help.
 
Personally, I'd just expand the binomial then differentiate twice. Keep the exponents as negative powers, it makes everything quicker.
 
>>Personally, I'd just expand the binomial then differentiate twice
That certainly makes it much easier. I guess I didnt think of that since I was doing problems related to the chain rule. Thank you for your suggestion.
 

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