Problem interpreting Mpc/h in maps of DM

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of distance scales expressed in units of Mpc/h in maps of dark matter (DM) density distribution, particularly in relation to the evolution of the Hubble parameter (h) and the scale factor (a). Participants explore the implications of these units on the representation of distances in cosmological simulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the scale should be expressed as [31.25/h] Mpc instead of Mpc/h, arguing that h is decreasing and thus affects the interpretation of distance.
  • Another participant contends that Mpc/h and [31.25/h] Mpc are essentially equivalent, asserting that comoving distance remains unchanged with the evolution of h or a.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that h and a have distinct time evolutions, proposing that the scale should be represented as "44/(1+z) Mpc" to reflect the relationship with the scale factor a.
  • Further elaboration indicates that while the image is for z=0, it could be represented as either 44 Mpc or 31.25 Mpc/h, with the latter remaining constant despite updates to h.
  • One participant notes that proper distance scales with a, while comoving distance is constant for a given galaxy, although this point may not be directly applicable to the current discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the implications of using Mpc/h versus [31.25/h] Mpc, with no consensus reached on the correct representation or the impact of h and a on distance scaling.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of proper and comoving distances, as well as the implications of changes in h and a over time.

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Problem interpreting Mpc/h in "maps" of DM

In charts of ρ distribution, such as the z = 0 image
http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/virgo/millennium/seqF_063a_half.jpg

(taken from http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/virgo/millennium/ ),
the distance scale is usually expressed in units of Mpc/h. In this image, there is a scale of 31.25 Mpc/h, although I think this is a misnomer-- it should be written [31.25/h] Mpc, because h is decreasing. At present, that scale then represents 31.25/0.71= 44 Mpc. Does that seem correct?
There may be another problem; I expect the distances to scale with the scale factor "a", not with h (\propto \dot{a}/a). For example, from 1 Gyr to the present, h has changed by ratio ~9, whereas a has changed by ratio ~6.5, and I would think that the scale in the t = 1 Gyr image
http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/virgo/millennium/seqF_019a_half.jpg
should represent 1/6.5 (not 1/9) of the scale in the z = 0 image. Does this seem correct?
 
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Mpc/h and [31.25/h] Mpc are basically the same thing. This is comoving distance, which does not change with the evolution of h (or a), because it is present proper distance. I think the h is there to cater for the uncertainty in h, which may soon be revised upwards to around 0.74, yet they do not have to alter the scale of their simulation.
 


Note that h (\propto H) and a have different time evolution. Therefore a parameter that scales with h does not scale with a, and comoving distance scales with a. I think that the scale in the image should read "44/(1+z) Mpc", noting that 1/(1+z) \propto a.
 


BillSaltLake said:
... Therefore a parameter that scales with h does not scale with a, and comoving distance scales with a. I think that the scale in the image should read "44/(1+z) Mpc", noting that 1/(1+z) \propto a.

The picture is for z=0 (today), so it could have read either 44 Mpc (h=0.71), or 31.25 Mpc/h. The latter value remains constant when h (= H0/100) is refined by observation. Cosmologists use this so that their reports do not have to be updated as better values of H0 become accepted. AFAIK, h refers only to H0 and hence does not evolve with a. The parameter evolving with a is usually referred to as H(t).

BTW, although not applicable here, I thought it is proper distance that scales with a and comoving distance is constant for a given galaxy.
 
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