Problem Physics I : gravitation

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The discussion centers on calculating the universal gravitational constant (G) using the formula F_g = GM_E m / R_E^2. The user initially calculated G by assuming a mass of 1 kg, leading to confusion about the necessity of a second mass in the equation. Clarification was provided that the gravitational force (F_g) should be calculated as F_g = mg, where g is the acceleration due to gravity. This correction helped the user understand that the value of G remains consistent regardless of the mass chosen, as long as the correct gravitational force is used. The conversation concludes with the user successfully resolving their confusion after correcting their approach.
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Homework Statement


Suppose that the Earth is a sphere with a radius of 6371 \text{ km} and that its uniform density is worth 5517 \text{ kg}/m^3. Suppose also that the acceleration of the gravity on its surface is g=9.80665 m/s^2. Calculate the value of the universal gravitation constant.
(The answer should be G=6.672 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2.)


Homework Equations

F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2}.



The Attempt at a Solution


Using simple very well known formulae, I could determine the mass of the Earth to be about 5.97 \cdot 10^{24}kg.
From F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2} I got that G=\frac{R_E^2F_g}{M_Em}. Now the problem is that I got G=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}m^3/(kg^2s^2)=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2 as I should but I reached this because I supposed that in the formula m=1kg and the body whose mass is 1kg is on the ground of the Earth. Why do I reach the result when I supposed that there is a mass of 1kg on the ground? Because to use the formula you have to have 2 bodies, the Earth and another body. In my case I supposed it was a body with a mass of 1kg and it worked. But if it had a different mass the result would have been totally different. Also, there's no mention of another body (nor even the formula to calculate the universal gravitational constant) in the statement of the problem. I'm certainly missing plenty of things... Could you explain to me what I don't understand? Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi fluidistic,

fluidistic said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that the Earth is a sphere with a radius of 6371 \text{ km} and that its uniform density is worth 5517 \text{ kg}/m^3. Suppose also that the acceleration of the gravity on its surface is g=9.80665 m/s^2. Calculate the value of the universal gravitation constant.
(The answer should be G=6.672 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2.)


Homework Equations

F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2}.



The Attempt at a Solution


Using simple very well known formulae, I could determine the mass of the Earth to be about 5.97 \cdot 10^{24}kg.
From F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2} I got that G=\frac{R_E^2F_g}{M_Em}. Now the problem is that I got G=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}m^3/(kg^2s^2)=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2 as I should but I reached this because I supposed that in the formula m=1kg and the body whose mass is 1kg is on the ground of the Earth. Why do I reach the result when I supposed that there is a mass of 1kg on the ground? Because to use the formula you have to have 2 bodies, the Earth and another body. In my case I supposed it was a body with a mass of 1kg and it worked. But if it had a different mass the result would have been totally different. Also, there's no mention of another body (nor even the formula to calculate the universal gravitational constant) in the statement of the problem. I'm certainly missing plenty of things... Could you explain to me what I don't understand? Thanks in advance.

What did you plug in for F_g when you solved for G? If you did that correctly I think you'll see why it doesn't matter what m is.
 
What did you plug in for LaTeX Code: F_g when you solved for LaTeX Code: G ? If you did that correctly I think you'll see why it doesn't matter what LaTeX Code: m is.
I plugged 9.80665m/s^2 for F_c. I know that there is "m" at the denominator but as it is a mass, its unit is not m but kg. So I still don't see why it doesn't matter what m is...
 
fluidistic said:
I plugged 9.80665m/s^2 for F_c. I know that there is "m" at the denominator but as it is a mass, its unit is not m but kg. So I still don't see why it doesn't matter what m is...

The value 9.80665m/s^2 is an acceleration so it can't be F_g. The force F_g is the gravitational force (weight) that the mass m experiences when it is at a place where the graviational accleration is equal to g. So for a mass m at the surface of the earth, what would F_g be?
 
F_g=mg in that case! Thank you so much, I corrected the units and all work perfectly now.
 
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