Problem using the ideal gas law

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The problem involves an internal combustion engine where air is compressed from atmospheric pressure and a temperature of approximately 20°C to a higher pressure of 20 atm, with a compression ratio of 4.0. The goal is to estimate the temperature of the compressed air using the ideal gas law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law, questioning the use of absolute temperature and pressure. There are attempts to calculate the final temperature based on given values, with some participants noting discrepancies in their results depending on unit usage.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided helpful guidance regarding the importance of using absolute temperature. There is ongoing exploration of whether absolute pressure should also be considered, with multiple interpretations of pressure definitions being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of using relative versus absolute pressures and temperatures, which may affect their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring consistent units throughout the problem.

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Homework Statement


In an internal combustion engine, air at atmospheric pressure and a temperature of about 20°C is compressed in the cylinder by a piston to 1/4 of its original volume (compression ratio = 4.0). Estimate the temperature of the compressed air, assuming the pressure reaches 20 atm.

Homework Equations


PV=nRT
restated as:(P1V1)/T1=(P2V2)/T2

The Attempt at a Solution


we are told that the initial situation: has a temperature of 20C or 293K, pressure of 1 atm. Set volume equal to 4m3
final situation: temperature=unknown, pressure=20 atm and volume=1m3

I tried putting these numbers into the formula and got a few different incorrect answers depending on which units I used, such as: 100C, 52.5C, 58.6C

Please help!
Thank you
 
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Have you remembered to use absolute (Kelvin) temperature?

Show details of your calculation, results should not depend on the units used as long as you use same units for initial and final state, as they cancel out then.

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Oh I did forget to use absolute temperature! Thank you very much! I will try it again taking that into account...
So do I also have to use absolute pressure as well or is that not necessary?
If not then I would get P2=P1(T2/T1)
P2=101325N/m2(433K/293K)-->P2=149739.68N/m2
 
What would be initial pressure if you will use relative pressures instead of absolute ones?
 
Oh...would it be zero?
 
Does it make sense?

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I got 5662.6N but I'm not sure if it's correct.
 
yes, because the relative pressure is the pressure minus the atmospheric pressure and since it is at atmospheric pressure then it would be zero.
 
YESSSSSS I got it right! Thanks SO much!
 

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