Problem with the sum of a Fourier series

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the sum of a Fourier series, specifically concerning the function's behavior at certain points, including the evaluation of limits and the implications of periodicity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the evaluation of the Fourier series at specific points, questioning the function's values and limits as they approach discontinuities. There is discussion about the periodic nature of the function and how it affects the evaluation at different intervals.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's ideas, raising questions about the implications of the function's periodicity and the behavior of limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of limits and the nature of the function at specific points, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the function's definition domain and how it affects the Fourier series calculations, with some participants noting the subtle differences in interval notation and their potential impact on the results.

Amaelle
Messages
309
Reaction score
54
Homework Statement
Look at the image
Relevant Equations
Fourier serie
Good day
1612882634390.png


I really don't understand how they got this result? for me the sum of the Fourier serie of of f is equal to f(2)=log(3)
any help would be highly appreciated!
thanks in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi,
Sounds reasonable. However:
what is the sum at ##\ x=2+\epsilon\ ## with ##\ \ 0<\epsilon <<< 1\ ## ?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Amaelle
thanks for your prompt answer,
as I saw it, I can't plug it the function f(x), so I really have no clue ...:oldconfused:
 
The function is periodic, so ##f(2+\epsilon) = f(-{1\over2}+\epsilon)##.
What is ## f(-{1\over2})## ?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Amaelle
f(-1/2)=f(2)=log(3) as they are periodic, right?
 
And it jumps down to what when you go a little further ?
 
so maybe I got you
In this region the value of f(-1/2)=0 so the we are in discountinous stepwise function, in which tthe value of f(2+e)
bounces between 2 and 0?
 
i mean jump between log3 and 0
 
## f(-{1\over2}) = 0 ## ? :nb)
 
  • #10
\lim_{\epsilon \to 0}f(-\tfrac12 + \epsilon) = \lim_{\epsilon \to 0} |\log(-\tfrac12 + \epsilon)| = \lim_{\epsilon \to 0}\log(\tfrac{2}{1 - 2\epsilon}) = ?
 
  • #11
BvU said:
## f(-{1\over2}) = 0 ## ? :nb)
no I meant f(-1/2 +ε) =log(1+ε) =0 because -1/2 does not belong to the definition domain
 
  • #12
pasmith said:
\lim_{\epsilon \to 0}f(-\tfrac12 + \epsilon) = \lim_{\epsilon \to 0} |\log(-\tfrac12 + \epsilon)| = \lim_{\epsilon \to 0}\log(\tfrac{2}{1 - 2\epsilon}) = ?
log(2)
 
  • #13
Amaelle said:
log(2)
but sorry just one question
lim f(-1/2 + epsilon)= lim |log(-1/2+epsilon)|=lim -log(-1/2+ epsilon)=lim log(2/(2epsilon-1)) I think there us a small problem with the sign no?
 
  • #14
What is ##\bigl |\log {1\over 2} \bigr |## ?
 
  • #15
Amaelle said:
because -1/2 does not belong to the definition domain
Correct, but does it make any difference for the Fourier series ? Do you calculate something different for ##\ (-{1\over 2}, 2]\ ## than for ##\ [-{1\over 2}, 2)\ ## ?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Amaelle
  • #16
BvU said:
Correct, but does it make any difference for the Fourier series ? Do you calculate something different for ##\ (-{1\over 2}, 2]\ ## than for ##\ [-{1\over 2}, 2)\ ## ?
not does not
 
  • #17
BvU said:
What is ##\bigl |\log {1\over 2} \bigr |## ?
|log(2)|=log(2)
 
  • #18
Yes; I hope you got it right: ##\ \bigl |\log{1\over 2}\bigr | = |-\log 2\bigr | = \log 2 \ .##

So at ##x=2## the Fourier sum jumps from ##\log 3 ## to ##\log 2 ##. What's the average ?

##\ ##
 
  • Informative
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: hutchphd and Amaelle
  • #19
log(6)/2, thanks a million!
 
  • #20
So somehow the subtle difference between ranges ##\ (-{1\over 2}, 2]\ ## and ##\ [-{1\over 2}, 2)\ ## is 'lost in transformation' :rolleyes:

##\ ##
 
  • Love
Likes   Reactions: Amaelle
  • #21
BvU said:
So somehow the subtle difference between ranges ##\ (-{1\over 2}, 2]\ ## and ##\ [-{1\over 2}, 2)\ ## is 'lost in transformation' :rolleyes:

##\ ##
yes , thanks a million, that was a nice explanation!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K