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Problem with this function continuity and differentiation

  1. Apr 28, 2012 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Suppose that a and b are real numbers. Find all values of a and b (if any) such that the functions f and g, given by

    a) f(x)={ax+b if x<0 and sin(x) if x≥0}

    b) g(x)={ax+b if x<0 and e2x if x≥0}

    are (i) continuous at 0 and (ii) differentiable at 0



    2. Relevant equations




    3. The attempt at a solution

    So for a) f(x)={ax+b if x<0 and sin(x) if x≥0}

    as the lim→0+

    then sin(0) =0

    as the lim →0-

    then a(0)+b=b

    so hence only when b=0 is the function continuous at 0.

    for a) (ii)

    do I just use the limit definition

    ie,

    lim h→0+ = limh→0-

    so lim h→0+ (f sin(x+h)-f(sinx)) / h = lim h→0- (f(a(x+h)+b)-f(ax+b))/ h

    lim h→0+ sin h / h= sin 0/0 =0 and lim h→0- = a.

    so it is only differentiable at 0 when a=0

    But the answer says when a=1 and b=0 for a) (ii)

    Please help!
     
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  3. Apr 28, 2012 #2

    Dick

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    The derivative of sin(x) at x=0 isn't 0. limit h->0 sin(h)/h isn't 0. sin(0)/0 isn't 0 either. It's undefined.
     
  4. Apr 28, 2012 #3
    Am I using the wrong approach then?

    What happens if these terms are undefined, does the formula not work?
     
  5. Apr 28, 2012 #4

    Dick

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    limit h->0 sin(h)/h is defined. It's just not 0. You don't have any idea what it might be? Try experimenting with a calculator. You really should know what it is. Hopefully the experiment will remind you.
     
  6. Apr 28, 2012 #5
    To make f(x) differentiable at x=0 (or in other words, so that the graph doesn't have a corner), ax+b must have the same slope as the derivative of sinx has at x=0, which would be...?
     
  7. Apr 28, 2012 #6
    ohh right its 1, silly me.
     
  8. Apr 28, 2012 #7
    Ok so a=1 and b=0.

    But for part b) (ii)

    I have the limit from 0- =a from part a)
    and the lim h-->0+

    = f(e2(x+h))-f(e2x) / h

    = e2x +e2h-e2x / h

    = 1/0 ??

    but the answer says a=2 and b=-1??

    what am I doing wrong now?
     
  9. Apr 28, 2012 #8

    Dick

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    Do you have to everything with difference quotients? You aren't very good at it. If f(x)=e^(2x), f(0)=1 and f'(0)=2. Can't you do it by just differentiating using the chain rule?
     
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  10. Apr 29, 2012 #9
    yeah I guess so
    But what am I differentiating exactly??

    because Im confused with b=-1

    f(0) for the other function =+b
    f'(0) = a

    DO you have to match these up, because I would say that a=2 and b=1, not -1?
    Im confused?
     
  11. Apr 29, 2012 #10

    Dick

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    I would say a=2 and b=1 as well. There may be an error in your answer key.
     
  12. Apr 29, 2012 #11
    ok thanks dick!
     
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