Projectile motion or stokes law

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The discussion centers on modeling the behavior of particles of varying densities and sizes as they are dropped into a horizontal air stream within a pipe. Participants explore whether to apply principles of projectile motion, Stokes' law, or a combination of both to understand the vertical and horizontal movement of these particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario of dropping materials into an air stream and notes the differing behaviors based on particle density, with high-density particles falling vertically and low-density particles being carried away by the air stream.
  • Another participant suggests a simple model assuming spherical particles and a constant velocity air stream, introducing a force related to Stokes' law to account for the drag experienced by the particles.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial model may not apply to smaller, low-density particles, suggesting the need to consider drag and terminal velocity for particles less than 5 mm and with a density below 100 kg/m³.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate modeling approach, with some advocating for a simple kinematic model while others highlight the limitations of this approach for smaller particles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to model the particle behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the shape and size of the particles, the nature of the air stream, and the effects of drag, which may affect the accuracy of the proposed models. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in accurately modeling the scenario.

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Its a while since I've done any motion calcs so I'm after some guidance.

I am vertically dropping a range of materials (size 8-20 mm) into a horizontal air stream in a pipe (pipe diammeter d , ~0.3m)

The horizontal air velocity in the pipe is 10 m/s

The particle bulk density ranges from 200-2500 kg/m3

The high bulk density material falls pretty vertical through the horizontal air stream and the low bulk density material get caught in the air and never lands (ie its carried off in the air stream). In between these 2 extremes, the material is deflected a certain distance along the pipe, with the lighter material moving furthest from the drop position in the horizontal plane.

I am trying to model this.
My known variables/constants are particle size, particle density, pipe diameter (ie vertical drop height), pipe velocity, air viscosity and gravity.

My unknowns are time it takes to hit the bottom of the pipe and how far in the horizontal direction has it moved, when the particle lands

Any advice on how I model this fall. Is it projectile motion, or should I be looking to utilise Stokes law, or both??

Thanks
 
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Its a while since I've done any motion calcs so I'm after some guidance.

I am vertically dropping a range of materials (size 8-20 mm) into a horizontal air stream in a pipe (pipe diammeter d , ~0.3m)

The horizontal air velocity in the pipe is 10 m/s

The particle bulk density ranges from 200-2500 kg/m3



The high bulk density material falls pretty vertical through the horizontal air stream and the low bulk density material get caught in the air and never lands (ie its carried off in the air stream). In between these 2 extremes, the material is deflected a certain distance along the pipe, with the lighter material moving furthest from the drop position in the horizontal plane.

I am trying to model this.
My known variables/constants are particle size, particle density, pipe diameter (ie vertical drop height), pipe velocity, air viscosity and gravity.

My unknowns are time it takes to hit the bottom of the pipe and how far in the horizontal direction has it moved, when the particle lands

Any advice on how I model this fall. Is it projectile motion, or should I be looking to utilise Stokes law, or both??

Thanks
 
Any decent model is going to be entirely too complicated to easily describe here. Here's a simple model, which should provide results to a modest degree of accuracy:

All particles are spherical and of the same size. Model the air stream as constant velocity, constant diameter jet. Make the problem 2-D, with the assumption that all particles fall through the same thickness of the horizontal air stream. The particles undergo free fall the entire time, but while they are in the air stream they are subjected to an additional force F = 6*pi*a*U*nu, where 'a' is the diameter of the particle, 'U' the velocity of the air stream , and 'nu' the kinematic viscosity of air (units of Stokes [St]).

Then it's just simple kinematics.
 
Thanks for that Andy,
have managed to do this, but for small low density particles, this doesn't work. I think I need to introduce drag, and terminal velocity, as I know the material l;ess than 5 mm and density of less than 100 kg/m3 with be carried off in the air stream.

How do i include this in my calcs?
 

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