Projections and diagonal form (Algebra)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of projections in linear algebra, specifically focusing on the conditions under which two projections have the same diagonal form based on the dimensions of their kernels.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the dimensions of kernels and images of projections, considering the implications for diagonal forms. They discuss the use of basis formation from kernels and images, and the structure of transformation matrices in these bases.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about the relationship between kernel dimensions and diagonal forms. Some have proposed reasoning about the structure of matrices representing the projections, while others are questioning the implications of having the same number of zeros and ones in the diagonal matrices.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and properties of projections, as well as the implications of the dimension formula in the context of linear transformations. Participants are navigating through the assumptions related to the dimensions of vector spaces involved.

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If V has finite dimension n, show that two projections have the same diagonal form if and only if their kernels have the same dimension. (A projection is defined to be a linear transformation P:V-->V for which P^2=P; V is a vector space).

For the forward direction, I was thinking that if T and P are projections that have the same diagonal form, their matrices of transformation are similar.
I think I need to use the formula
dimV= dim ker(T)+ dim Im(T) Knowing that dim Im(T)= rank of the matrix of transformation of T and dim ker(T)= n-dim Im(T)
So the result follows.

But I am not sure about the backward direction.
 
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Form a basis of V from vectors in ker(T) and im(T). You know the two sets span V. That's where your dimension formula comes from. Think about what the matrix of T looks like in this basis.
 
Since the dim of the kernels are the same, then the dim of the Images are the same as well. We also know that for a projection V=ker T '+' I am T (where '+' denotes the direct sum)
So if {e1,e2,...,ek} is a basis for ker T, we may complete this list by vectors of the basis for I am T to get a basis for V ({e1,e2,...,ek,f1,...,fm}.

Now the matrix of the transformation T with respect to this new basis is a k+m X k+m matrix. I don't know what else to say.
 
T(ei)=0, T(fi)=fi. It looks to me like that means you have a matrix with 0's and 1's on the diagonal. How many zeros and how many ones?
 
there should be k 0's and m 1's.
 
So the same thing for both the projections T and P, hence they have the same diagonal form?
 
Ok, so k is dim(ker(T)) and m is dim(V)-dim(ker(T)). If you have two diagonal matrices with the same number of 1's and 0's on the diagonal, are they similar?
 
math8 said:
So the same thing for both the projections T and P, hence they have the same diagonal form?

Sure. They have the same matrix in different bases. They are similar.
 
Thanks, it makes much more sense now.
 

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