Proof of |2^N x 2^N| = |2^N| with N the natural numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proof of the statement |2^N x 2^N| = |2^N|, where N represents the natural numbers. Participants explore various approaches to establish this equality, including bijections and properties of infinite sets, while addressing the validity of earlier claims made by one participant.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a bijection can demonstrate the equality but questions the validity of their previous reasoning involving Cantor's theorem.
  • Another participant critiques the initial argument, stating that the use of Cantor's theorem is irrelevant and that the final conclusion lacks justification.
  • A participant acknowledges the irrelevance of Cantor's theorem and seeks a connection between the established fact |N x N| = |N| and the proof of the main statement.
  • Another participant asserts that for any infinite set X, |X x X| = |X| holds true, specifically for X = 2^N, but questions the relevance of |N x N| = |N| in this context.
  • One participant introduces the concept of disjoint unions, suggesting that |2^N x 2^N| can be expressed as |2^{N + N}|, but notes that both equalities require proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of the initial proof attempt and the relevance of certain mathematical principles. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate methods to prove the statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that some steps in their reasoning require further proof, particularly the use of disjoint unions and the equality of cardinalities.

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Hello,

At my exam I had to proof the title of this topic. I now know that it can easily be done by making a bijection between the two, but I still want to know why I didn't receive any points for my answer, or better stated, if there is still a way to proof the statement from my work.

My work:
2^N > N (Cantor)
2^N x 2^N > N x N
Knowing that |N x N| = |N| it follows that |2^N x 2^N| = |2^N|.

I know that I didn't really give an explanation in that last step, but I still want to know if and how it's correct.
Thanks in advance!
 
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I don't see how this resembles a proof at all. You start by using Cantor ##|2^\mathbb{N}| > |\mathbb{N}|##, which is not relevant at all here. Then you give another irrelevant inequality, and finally you just state the result. You would not get any points for that if I were the grader.
 
I understand Cantor is not the way to go here but we were allowed to regard |N x N| = |N| as proven. I just want to know if there is any way to link the two?
 
For any infinite set ##X##, we have ##|X\times X| = |X|##. In particular, this is true for ##X= 2^{\mathbb{N}}##. I don't see how ##|\mathbb{N}\times \mathbb{N}| = |\mathbb{N}|## is really relevant here.
 
However, you can work with the disjoint union ##\mathbb{N} + \mathbb{N} := (\mathbb{N}\times \{0\})\cup (\mathbb{N}\times \{1\})##. We have ##|\mathbb{N}+\mathbb{N}| = |\mathbb{N}|## (this requires a proof). We can then say:
|2^\mathbb{N}\times 2^\mathbb{N} | = |2^{\mathbb{N}+\mathbb{N}}| = |2^{\mathbb{N}}|
But both of the two equalities also require a proof.
 

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