Proof of Energy Density in Capacitor?

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The discussion revolves around the energy density formula in capacitors, specifically the expression u = ε * (E^2) / 2. Participants explore whether this formula can be generalized for different geometrical types of capacitors, with a focus on cylindrical capacitors. The conversation includes derivations, definitions, and mathematical concepts related to electric fields and energy density.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the general applicability of the energy density formula for various capacitor geometries, particularly cylindrical capacitors.
  • Another participant notes that the energy density follows from the definition of energy stored in an electric field and mentions that it varies with space in general cases.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the term (∇.D) and its relation to charge, indicating confusion about its meaning.
  • Further explanation is provided regarding the divergence of the electric displacement field and its relation to free charge density, along with the relationship between the displacement field and the electric field.
  • There is a suggestion that the mathematical concepts involved may require further study for better understanding.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the general proof of the energy density formula for different capacitor types. There are varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the mathematical concepts involved, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of the energy density formula and the definitions of terms like (∇.D). The conversation reflects a need for further mathematical background to fully grasp the concepts discussed.

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Hi, I just registered and don't know if I opened the post in right place, this is not a homework question, only something I wonder.

I know that electric field energy density in a parallel-plate capacitor is;

u= ε * (E^2) / 2

and I know how this formula derivated for parallel-plate capacitor. But I learned that this formula can be generated for every geometrical type of capacitors. I tried to derivate this formula for cylindrical capacitors but I could not make it. Are there any general proof of this formula that can be used for every geometrical type of capacitors? İf there isn't, how can this formula generated for cylindrical capacitors? Thanks for your answers
 
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Welcome to PF;
I cannot tell how you are thinking about this so I don't know how best to reply.
The equation follows from the definition of energy density - which follows from the energy stored in an arbitrary electric field.
http://www.ece.umd.edu/class/enee380-1.F2004/lectures/lecture12.htm
... for a parallel plate capacitor, E is a constant, so the energy density is the same everywhere.
In general, the energy density will vary with space.

Please show your working for a cylindrical capacitor.
 
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Thanks for the reply, I found this page from the link you gave me;
http://www.ece.umd.edu/class/enee380-1.F2004/lectures/lecture11.htm

In this page 3-11.1 seems exactly what I needed but I couldn't understand what (∇.D) is. My guess is D can be charge but it doesn't make sense. Could you please tell this with a simpler math
 
I couldn't understand what (∇.D) is. My guess is D can be charge but it doesn't make sense. Could you please tell this with a simpler math
I'm afraid it does not get simpler than that. You need to learn more maths.
I can try to put it in terms of things you may already know...

##\vec\nabla\cdot\vec D## is the divergence of the electric displacement field.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/maxeq.html
... it is equal to the free charge density. So we write: $$\vec\nabla\cdot \vec D = \rho_{free}$$
The displacement field is related to the electric field by ##\vec D = \epsilon\vec E## where ##\small\epsilon## is the electric permitivity.

So for a charge q at the origin, $$\vec D = \frac{q}{4\pi}\frac{\vec r}{r^3}$$
##\vec \nabla## is the divergence operator.
In cartesian coordinates (using i-j-k notation) it is: ##\vec\nabla = \hat \imath \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \hat \jmath \frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \hat k \frac{\partial}{\partial z}##
... the divergence is kind-of like the gradient of a function but for vector fields.
 
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