Proof of Identity Theorem: Understanding G is Non-Empty

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the Identity Theorem in the context of Riemann surfaces, specifically addressing the non-emptiness of the set G, which consists of points where two holomorphic functions coincide in an open neighborhood. Participants explore the implications of limit points and the conditions under which G is considered non-empty.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding the assumption that the set G is non-empty and seek clarification on this point.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of a limit point and whether a one-point set can have a limit point, with some participants asserting that A must be infinite for a limit point to exist.
  • One participant notes that the definition of a limit point implies that A cannot be a one-point set, reinforcing the idea that A must be infinite.
  • Another participant provides a continuation of the proof, stating that G is open and also claims it is closed, leading to the conclusion that G must equal X under certain conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of a boundary point b in G and the implications of assuming G is non-empty.
  • One participant discusses applying a continuity argument to show that if a function is zero on a set with a limit point, it must be zero in a neighborhood of that limit point, which supports the non-emptiness of G.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the connectivity of X and its relevance to the proof, with one participant emphasizing that this property is crucial for the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the limit point concept and the implications for the set G, but there is no consensus on the assumption of G's non-emptiness or the necessity of certain conditions in the proof. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of limit points and the conditions under which G is non-empty.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of the connectivity of X, which is not explicitly stated in the theorem. Additionally, the discussion highlights the dependence on definitions of limit points and the implications of continuity in the context of holomorphic functions.

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I'm slightly confused at the proof of this theorem, hopefully someone can help.

Identity theorem: Suppose X and Y are Riemann surfaces, and f_1,f_2:X \to Y are holomorphic mappings which coincide on a set A \subseteq X having a limit point a \in X. Then f_1 and f_2 are identically equal.

The proof starts out with: Let G be the set of all points x \in X having an open neighbourhood W such that f_1|_W = f_2|_W.

Now, it seems like they assume without argument that G is non-empty. Why is G non-empty?

Also, maybe I'm just confused about this, what does it mean that A has a limit point a in X? As I understand it, a is simply a point which cannot be separated from A by two open sets. Couldn't it be the case that A is a one-point set, doesn't every set have a limit point? In that case I don't see how G could be non-empty.

EDIT: Ok, upon some thought I think I recall that a limit point a \in X of A is a point which cannot be separated from A / \{a\}. Is this right? In that case A must be infinite. Still, this doesn't resolve the question of the existence of such a W as described above.
 
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disregardthat said:
I'm slightly confused at the proof of this theorem, hopefully someone can help.

Identity theorem: Suppose X and Y are Riemann surfaces, and f_1,f_2:X \to Y are holomorphic mappings which coincide on a set A \subseteq X having a limit point a \in X. Then f_1 and f_2 are identically equal.

The proof starts out with: Let G be the set of all points x \in X having an open neighbourhood W such that f_1|_W = f_2|_W.

Now, it seems like they assume without argument that G is non-empty. Why is G non-empty?

So far I don't see them assuming that ##G## is non-empty. Can you give the entire proof here (or at least the next few steps) so that I can check.

Also, maybe I'm just confused about this, what does it mean that A has a limit point a in X? As I understand it, a is simply a point which cannot be separated from A by two open sets. Couldn't it be the case that A is a one-point set, doesn't every set have a limit point? In that case I don't see how G could be non-empty.

EDIT: Ok, upon some thought I think I recall that a limit point a \in X of A is a point which cannot be separated from A / \{a\}. Is this right? In that case A must be infinite. Still, this doesn't resolve the question of the existence of such a W as described above.

A limit point of ##A## is a point ##a## such that for each neighborhood ##V## of ##a## holds that ##V\cap (A\setminus\{a\})## is nonempty. So ##A## can't be a one-point set in particular. Since your space is ##T_1## (all singletons are closed), you can indeed deduce that ##A## is infinite.
 
Continuation of proof:

By definition G is open. We claim that G is also closed. For, suppose b is a boundary point of G. Then f_1(b)=f_2(b) since f_1 and f_2 are continuous. Choose charts \phi : U \to V and \psi : U' \to V' on Y with b \in U and f_i(U) \subseteq U'. We may also assume that U is connected. The mappings

g_i = \psi \circ f_i \circ \phi^{-1} : V \to V' \subseteq \mathbb{C}

are holomorphic. Since U \cap G \not = \emptyset, the Identity theorem for holomorphic functions on domains in \mathbb{C} implies that g_1 and g_2 are identically equal. Thus f_1|_U = f_2|_U. Hence b \in G and thus G is closed. Now since X is connected either G = \emptyset or G = X. But the first case is excluded since a \in G (using the identity theorem in the plane again). Hence f_1 and f_2 coincide on all of X.
 
So basically,
why is U \cap G \not = \emptyset, and why is a \in G by using the identity theorem in the plane?

U \cap G \not = \emptyset is actually fine since we have already assumed b \in G. But I don't see why such a b must exist. It does exist if G is non-empty.

So it boils down that the fact that a \in G.

EDIT: Just a note: b \in G is wrong at this stage of the argument, but b being a boundary point of G implies that U \cap G \not = \emptyset anyway.
 
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In ##C##, you could apply the following argument:
Let ##f## be zero on a set ##A## with a limit point ##a##.Then there is a sequence ##a_n\rightarrow a## such that ##a_n\in A##. By continuity, we have ##0=f(a_n)\rightarrow f(a)##. Thus ##a\in A##.
Thus (in a neighborhood of ##a##):

f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^{+\infty}\alpha_n (x-a)^n = (x-a) g(x)

where ##g## is a holomorphic function. Clearly, ##g(a_n) = 0##. Thus by the same argument, ##g(a) = 0##. By induction we can show that ##\alpha_n = 0## for each ##\alpha_n##.

In a standard way, you can lift this result to the Riemann surface to prove that if ##f## and ##g## coincide on a set ##A## with limit point ##a##, then ##f## and ##g## coincide on a neighborhood of ##a##.
 
Thanks, this does resolve the issue. (I don't think that it follows that a \in A by the way, but it doesn't affect your argument)
 
disregardthat said:
So basically,
why is U \cap G \not = \emptyset, and why is a \in G by using the identity theorem in the plane?

U \cap G \not = \emptyset is actually fine since we have already assumed b \in G. But I don't see why such a b must exist. It does exist if G is non-empty.

So it boils down that the fact that a \in G.

Yeah, so consider the maps ##g_1## and ##g_2##. Since ##\varphi## are homeomorphisms, we have that ##\varphi(a)## is a limit point of ##\varphi(A)##. Furthermore, it is easy to check that ##g_1## and ##g_2## coincide on ##\varphi(A)##. Thus by the identity theorem in the plane (or the proof I gave in my last post), we can deduce that there is a neighborhood ##W## of ##\varphi(a)## such that ##g_1\vert_W = g_2\vert_W##. Then you can easily check that ##f_1 = f_2## on ##\varphi^{-1}(W)## and that ##a\in \varphi^{-1}(W)##. Thus ##a\in G##.
 
disregardthat said:
(I don't think that it follows that a \in A by the way, but it doesn't affect your argument)

Oh right. I was mentally taking ##A## to be the set of all points where ##f_1## and ##f_2## coincide. But that wasn't given. Sorry.
 
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a key point, not given in the statement, is the connectivity of X. Other than that, the proof of non emptiness of G rests on the principle of "isolated zeroes" for non trivial holomorphic functions. I.e. a non trivial powers series, looks like z^k.g(z) where g(0) ≠ 0. Hence there is an isolated zero at z=0. By taking local coordinates near a limit point a, and subtracting f1 from f2, one sees that f1 = f2 on a nbhd of a. This is why the set G is non empty. They presumably took it for granted that this fact from one vbl complex analysis was known.
 
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That's right, a riemann surface is defined in my book to be connected.
 

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