Proof of Logaritmetic Problem: x-1/2x^2 < ln(1+x) < x

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequalities \( x - \frac{1}{2} x^2 < \ln(1+x) < x \) for all positive \( x \). Participants are exploring mathematical reasoning and the validity of the inequalities through various approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the inequalities and question the conditions under which they hold true. Some suggest using derivative tests to analyze the behavior of the function \( f(x) = \ln(1+x) - x \) and its implications for the inequalities.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to prove both sides of the inequalities. Some participants have provided reasoning based on derivatives, while others are seeking clarification on the assumptions and conditions necessary for the inequalities to hold.

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Participants note that the inequalities may only hold for certain ranges of \( x \), with some suggesting that the series expansion for \( \ln(1+x) \) is relevant, particularly for \( |x| < 1 \).

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show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic
 
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reza said:
show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic

does the 1st inequality mean [tex]x-\frac{x^2}{2} < \ln (1+x)[/tex] ?
i suppose this will be true for only |x|<1
 
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yes you right x - (x^2)/2
and in the book (calculus , rechard a.silverman) has written for x>0
Do you need the address of problem?
 
ok sorry about that...the problem's fine , i mistook the signs.
The identity may be proved by using the expansion series for ln(1+x) but this holds for |x|<1.
 
reza said:
show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic

Or, you can try to take the derivative and prove that it's either an increasing function, or a decreasing function (Have you covered how to differentiate a function?). It goes like this:

I am going to prove the ln(1 + x) < x for all x > 0 part.
Re-arrange the inequality gives:
ln(1 + x) - x < 0

Let f(x) = ln(1 + x) - x
Now, we have that f(0) = ln(1 + 0) - 0 = 0
[tex]f'(x) = \frac{1}{1 + x} - 1[/tex]
For x > 0, we have 1 + x > 1, hence 1 / (x + 1) < 1, hence 1 / (x + 1) - 1 < 0, so f'(x) < 0 for all x > 0. f(x) is a decreasing function for x > 0.

So, for x > 0, we have:
f(x) < f(0) <=> f(x) < 0 <=> ln(1 + x) - x < 0 <=> ln(1 + x) < x
 
thank you very much but how we can prove the other side
 
reza said:
thank you very much but how we can prove the other side

Have you tried anything? It's pretty much the same.
 
f(x)=ln(x+1)-x+x^2/2
f'(x)=1/(x+1)-1+x=x^2/(x+1)>0
f'(x)>0 then it is increasing
So, for x > 0, we have:
f(x) > f(0) <=> f(x) > 0 <=> ln (x+1)-x+x^2/2>0 <=> ln (x+1)>x-x^2/2
is this proof Ok?
 

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