Proof of Logaritmetic Problem: x-1/2x^2 < ln(1+x) < x

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The discussion centers on proving the inequalities x - (1/2)x^2 < ln(1+x) < x for all positive x. Participants suggest using the derivative of the function f(x) = ln(1+x) - x to demonstrate that it is decreasing for x > 0, confirming ln(1+x) < x. To prove the left side of the inequality, they propose analyzing f(x) = ln(1+x) - x + (1/2)x^2, showing that its derivative is positive, indicating that f(x) is increasing. This leads to the conclusion that ln(1+x) > x - (1/2)x^2 for positive x. The proofs provided are considered valid by the participants.
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show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic
 
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reza said:
show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic

does the 1st inequality mean x-\frac{x^2}{2} &lt; \ln (1+x) ?
i suppose this will be true for only |x|<1
 
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yes you right x - (x^2)/2
and in the book (calculus , rechard a.silverman) has written for x>0
Do you need the adress of problem?
 
ok sorry about that...the problem's fine , i mistook the signs.
The identity may be proved by using the expansion series for ln(1+x) but this holds for |x|<1.
 
reza said:
show that (for all posetive x)
x-1/2 x^2<ln(1+x)<x

i understand it in graf please prove it for my in methemathic

Or, you can try to take the derivative and prove that it's either an increasing function, or a decreasing function (Have you covered how to differentiate a function?). It goes like this:

I am going to prove the ln(1 + x) < x for all x > 0 part.
Re-arrange the inequality gives:
ln(1 + x) - x < 0

Let f(x) = ln(1 + x) - x
Now, we have that f(0) = ln(1 + 0) - 0 = 0
f&#039;(x) = \frac{1}{1 + x} - 1
For x > 0, we have 1 + x > 1, hence 1 / (x + 1) < 1, hence 1 / (x + 1) - 1 < 0, so f'(x) < 0 for all x > 0. f(x) is a decreasing function for x > 0.

So, for x > 0, we have:
f(x) < f(0) <=> f(x) < 0 <=> ln(1 + x) - x < 0 <=> ln(1 + x) < x
 
thank you very much but how we can prove the other side
 
reza said:
thank you very much but how we can prove the other side

Have you tried anything? It's pretty much the same.
 
f(x)=ln(x+1)-x+x^2/2
f'(x)=1/(x+1)-1+x=x^2/(x+1)>0
f'(x)>0 then it is increasing
So, for x > 0, we have:
f(x) > f(0) <=> f(x) > 0 <=> ln (x+1)-x+x^2/2>0 <=> ln (x+1)>x-x^2/2
is this proof Ok?
 
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