Proof Q(sqrt(2)) is Subfield of R

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The discussion revolves around proving that Q(sqrt(2)) is a subfield of R, focusing on the properties of rational numbers and their extensions with the square root of 2.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of Q(sqrt(2)) and its elements, with attempts to demonstrate closure under operations such as addition and subtraction. Questions arise regarding the treatment of inverses and the implications of definitions.

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Several participants are exploring the definitions and properties of Q(sqrt(2)), with some offering insights into the necessary conditions for closure under division. There is an ongoing examination of the requirements for proving it as a subfield, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are considering the constraints of their current study material and the definitions they are allowed to use in their proofs.

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Homework Statement



proof that Q(sqrt(2)) is a subfield of R

Homework Equations


Q= rational numers, R= real numbers.


The Attempt at a Solution


Clearly (sqrt(2)) is a subgroup of R. Then a[sqrt2]. b[sqrt2] are elements of Q[sqrt2] if a and b are eleemnts of Q. Therefore Q[sqrt2] contains at least two elements.
2. a[sqrtb]-b[sqrt2] is an element of Q[sqrt2] since a-b is an element of Q since Q is closed under subtraction.
From there I have to prove that a[sqrt2]*[b[sqret2]^-1] are elements of Q[sqrt2] but i don't know how to do this. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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It looks like you have a mistake in the definitions...

What is the definition of Q[sqrt(2)]?
 
This could depend a lot on what you're studying right now, and what you are/aren't allowed to use. But I'd just note that Q is a subfield of R, and sqrt(2) is in R, and look at the definition of Q(sqrt(2)).
 
Q is defined as a+b(sqrt2). So subtraction is obviosly preserved, but I have no idea what to do with the inverses
 
All right. Do you remember how to divide complex numbers? The same trick can be applied here to find the inverses in [tex]\mathbb{Q}[\sqrt2][/tex].

Just note that
[tex]a^2 - 2b^2 \neq 0[/tex]
whenever [tex]a, b \in \mathbb{Q}[/tex] unless [tex]a = b = 0[/tex].
 
tyrannosaurus said:
Q is defined as a+b(sqrt2). So subtraction is obviosly preserved, but I have no idea what to do with the inverses
Try solving a linear equation!

Wait a moment -- what do you need to do with inverses? Why do they need to be considered specially at all?
 

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