Proof Regarding Functions of Independent Random Variables

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The problem involves proving the independence of transformed random variables g(X) and h(Y) given that X and Y are independent random variables. The context is rooted in probability theory and the properties of random variables.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the proof and mentions the importance of expectations and the relationship between joint and marginal distributions. They also question the applicability of transformations without knowing the density functions.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the definition of independence and manipulating probabilities involving the functions f(X) and g(Y).
  • Some participants raise concerns about the necessity of invertibility for the functions f and g, questioning whether this assumption is required for the proof.
  • One participant introduces an alternative approach using multivariate characteristic functions to establish independence.

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There is a mention of a previous thread on the topic, indicating that this is a recurring question. The original poster notes a lack of familiarity with transformations, which may affect their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let X and Y be independent random variables. Prove that g(X) and h(Y) are also independent where g and h are functions.


Homework Equations


I did some research and somehow stumbled upon how
E(XY) = E(X)E(Y)
is important in the proof.

f(x,y) = f(x)f(y)
F(x,y) = F(x)F(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am seriously stuck on this - I do not even know where to begin. I know there was a previous thread (around 7 years old) on this but I did not want to revive an old thread, and there wasn't much response in that thread.

I attempted to determine F(g(x),h(y)) by integration but then I would need f(g(x),h(y)), which (to my knowledge), is unknown unless I use a really messy transformation equation (and the question was stated prior to learning about transformations).

Expectations appear to be the way to go, since they do not require the actual density/probability function of the function of the random variable; however, I do not know of any property of expectations allowing us to deduce that two random variables are independent (since a covariance of 0 does not necessarily imply independence).

If anyone could provide me with somewhere to start, that would be much appreciated.
 
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Two random variables X and Y defined on the same sample space are independent if for for subsets A and B of real numbers

P(X ε A, Y ε B) = P(X ε A)P(Y ε B)

You need to prove that for f(X) and g(Y)

Start like this:

P(f(X) ε A, g(Y) ε B) = P(X ε f-1(A), P(Y ε g-1(B))

and see if you can get it from there.
 
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Wouldn't we be assuming that f and g are invertible? Or does that have no bearing on the proof? (I always got stuck because I thought we couldn't apply f or g inverse since we would have to then assume that f and g are invertible functions.)
 
SpringPhysics said:
Wouldn't we be assuming that f and g are invertible? Or does that have no bearing on the proof? (I always got stuck because I thought we couldn't apply f or g inverse since we would have to then assume that f and g are invertible functions.)

f and g need not be invertible. f^(-1)(A) is standard notation for the set {w:f(w) \in A}.

Anyway, another approach is to look at the multivariate characteristic function: two random variables Y1 and Y2 are independent iff their joint characteristic function factors: that is, Eexp(i*k1*Y1 + i*k2*Y2) = [E(exp(i*k1*Y1))]*[E(exp(i*k2*Y2))] for all (k1,k2),
where i = sqrt(-1).

RGV
 

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