Proof Using General principle of math induction

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The problem involves proving the inequality n! > 2^n for all n ≥ 4 using mathematical induction. Participants are discussing the structure of the proof and the application of the induction hypothesis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to establish the base case and the inductive step. There is discussion about the validity of the base case and how to properly apply the induction hypothesis. Some express confusion regarding the manipulation of factorials in relation to the exponential function.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the proof structure, with some participants providing guidance on how to apply the induction hypothesis. Multiple interpretations of the steps involved are being discussed, particularly concerning the connection between factorials and powers of two.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of starting the induction at n=4 rather than n=1, and there is a mention of the challenge in handling factorials in the context of inequalities.

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Homework Statement



prove n!>2^n for all n>=4

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I showed it was true for n=1.

assume k!>2^k for all k>=4
then show it for k+1. (k+1)!>=2^(k+1)
=k!*(k+1)>=2*2^k
I don't know where to go from here.
 
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I showed it was true for n=1.

But your base case is n=4!

Simplify 2*2k
 
sorry, i meant for n=4
 
kolley said:
assume k!>2^k for all k>=4
then show it for k+1. (k+1)!>=2^(k+1)
=k!*(k+1)>=2*2^k

This is what you need to show: (k+1)!>=2^(k+1).
In your next line, though, you are tacitly assuming that this is true. Also, don't connect one inequality to another with = as you are doing here:
(k+1)!>=2^(k+1)
=k!*(k+1)>=2*2^k

You have (k + 1)! = k! * (k + 1) = ? Here's where you use your induction hypothesis (i.e., k! >= 2^k).
 
I guess the factorial is what is throwing me off, I don't know how to use a chain of inequalities that will lead me to something that I can directly compare to 2^k+1 because I don't know how to take the factorial into account or get rid of it.
 
Use (k+1)! = (k+1) k! and apply the induction hypothesis
 

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